What is The Baptism that saves us now?

[JLB]

Yes this is one of those post...I write but fall asleep...and then answer another post...lol..I was trying to read Matthew Henry's commentary...I'm not sure I understood Him well...

But sense it's out there and it would not let me delete it...Here's the passage I am referring to.

Titus 3:5
But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit. This is the Spirit He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that, having been justified by His grace, we would become heirs with the hope of eternal life. This saying is trustworthy. And I want you to emphasize these things, so that those who have believed God will take care to devote themselves to good deeds. These things are excellent and profitable for the people.

Actually I should have read the whole thing from the beginning...I see something I did not see before..

But what is your understanding of the 3v5..tks

My understanding of this verse is the same concept of John 3:6 and 1 Corinthians 12:13, as well as Ephesians 1:8

Being born again, regenerated, or saved is the work of the Holy Spirit; the Spirit of grace.

This work of the Spirit occurs through our believing.

Just as true is... our believing (and therefore our obeying) is enabled through the Holy Spirit.


JLB

 

[JLB]

Can you not see this IS NOT “Johns baptism”?

John's Baptism is water baptism.

If Jesus, who represents the Church submitted to it then we should follow Him is His example.





JLB

 

[jaybo]

Yes, Yes, No.
My old life ended just as Paul writes in Rom 6:3-7..."Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin."
Why don't you believe him?

I asked if you actually died, were buried, and resurrected. I assume that since you are posting your reply that you are indeed have not literally (not figuratively) died. That has nothing to do with your old life; it has to do with breathing and having a beating heart.

And since Paul was alive when he wrote to the Romans, he was obviously still living. Perhaps you're trying to be clever, but you are wrong in what you wrote.

I do believe what Paul wrote. It's an insult to suggest otherwise.

 

[Runmyramble]

My understanding of this verse is the same concept of John 3:6 and 1 Corinthians 12:13, as well as Ephesians 1:8

Being born again, regenerated, or saved is the work of the Holy Spirit; the Spirit of grace.

This work of the Spirit occurs through our believing.

Just as true is... our believing (and therefore our obeying) is enabled through the Holy Spirit.


JLB

Ok.so in detail

My understanding of this verse is the same concept of John 3:6 and 1 Corinthians 12:13, as well as Ephesians 1:8

Being born again, regenerated, or saved is the work of the Holy Spirit; the Spirit of grace.

This work of the Spirit occurs through our believing.

Just as true is... our believing (and therefore our obeying) is enabled through the Holy Spirit.


JLB

Ok, but can you be specific in your understanding ....is this saying that it is Jesus's baptism into death.....and His being renewed or quickened by the Spirit.. And It Is His Spirit of Life that is being poured out?

 

[Runmyramble]

You said you thought there was confusion so I wanted to make it clear.

That didn’t happen in acts 8. The text tells us so.

Yes. I’ve heard that one before.

Yes. I said I do.

I don’t misunderstand. I believe what the Bible tells me. I didn’t say...they were “just” to impress people. I said the baptism of the HS in acts 2 and 10 were used for those reasons. The “gifts” were for the work of the church.
They were for revelation and confirmation and yes through this the early church would be able to grow and be edified. Did the early church have the oracles of God for the NT church? Not at the beginning. So how were new converts able to learn, to worship, what were they to pray for? What was accepted and not accepted? We know now. They didn’t.

Show me anybody in the NT that prayed to receive a spiritual gift and then baaaam! There it was. In acts 8 the apostles prayed that these converts would receive the Spirit (note that it was the apostles praying and not the new converts) and when did they actually receive the gift? After hands were laid on them.

Why do you suppose that they had to lay hands?

 

[Walpole]

Why do you suppose that they had to lay hands?

A couple of observations. First, we are witnessing in real time the folly in trying to start a religion using another religion's Scriptures. The Scriptures make no sense without the context in which they were written: The Tradition of the Church.

What St. Paul did was something distinct from baptism. Recall St. Paul said God did not call him to baptize. (cf. 1 Cor 1:17). Furthermore, it is important to remember there is only one baptism. (cf. Eph 4:5) So what exactly did he do to the disciples at Ephesus who were already baptized into Christ in Acts 19:5-6 when he laid hands on them?

Christian tradition answers this question. In baptism, the Holy Spirit is conferred in an invisible way. When an Apostle (and today, their successors) laid hands on someone already baptized, they were calling down the Holy Spirit in a visible and charismatic way. Thus from the beginning of Christianity, a distinction is made between baptism and the imposition of hands on a person and receiving the Holy Spirit in a more profound way. The most ancient of Christian traditions continue this practice to this day; for after a person is baptized, they are confirmed. It is thus demonstrably the regula fide of Christianity that from the beginning, there is a distinct and separate practice of baptism and confirmation.

Scripture is clear the laying on of hands is something separate and distinct from baptism. It is done post baptism. In addition to the verse referenced above from Acts, here is another verse describing it as something separate and distinct from baptism...

"Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment" (Heb. 6:1–2)

This is completely foreign to you because you do not have the context and living tradition which is described in the very Scriptures that confound you.

 

[Runmyramble]

John's Baptism is water baptism.

If Jesus, who represents the Church submitted to it then we should follow Him is His example.





JLB

Why did Jesus get Baptized in water...
Wow I think I get it...
What righteousness did Jesus fullfill?
That which was under the Law?
If so, I can see His Baptism seems as a transaction.
A way to model one moving out of death to life....another words out of the Old system into the new.

The actions He took after being Baptized were life actions...Living through the obedience to His Father...

And so my favorite scripture: I always do what is pleasing to my father and He never leaves me alone. What God Spoke was justification...giving credence to "His Son" because He would get the work done.....
At this time I recall Willardxs statement the Heavens were open and they never closed...So the kingdom of God was available...and [the heavens opened]open and they have never closed sense.

Recall the Law was said to be until John and after which the Kingdom of God was Preached...

The New and Living way was obedience to God through our Lord and savior Jesus the Christ.

 

[Runmyramble]

A couple of observations. First, we are witnessing in real time the folly in trying to start a religion using another religion's Scriptures. The Scriptures make no sense without the context in which they were written: The Tradition of the Church.

What St. Paul did was something distinct from baptism. Recall St. Paul said God did not call him to baptize. (cf. 1 Cor 1:17). Furthermore, it is important to remember there is only one baptism. (cf. Eph 4:5) So what exactly did he do to the disciples at Ephesus who were already baptized into Christ in Acts 19:5-6 when he laid hands on them?

Christian tradition answers this question. In baptism, the Holy Spirit is conferred in an invisible way. When an Apostle (and today, their successors) laid hands on someone already baptized, they were calling down the Holy Spirit in a visible and charismatic way. Thus from the beginning of Christianity, a distinction is made between baptism and the imposition of hands on a person and receiving the Holy Spirit in a more profound way. The most ancient of Christian traditions continue this practice to this day; for after a person is baptized, they are confirmed. It is thus demonstrably the regula fide of Christianity that from the beginning, there is a distinct and separate practice of baptism and confirmation.

Scripture is clear the laying on of hands is something separate and distinct from baptism. It is done post baptism. In addition to the verse referenced above from Acts, here is another verse describing it as something separate and distinct from baptism...

"Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment" (Heb. 6:1–2)

This is completely foreign to you because you do not have the context and living tradition which is described in the very Scriptures that confound you.

Hi, that was not for you...I took my whole Mornting to write you a post...And would like your response if you get a chance

 

[Walpole]

Hi, that was not for you...I took my whole Mornting to write you a post...And would like your response if you get a chance

Your post was just a repeated series of non-sequiturs. But, I will respond to it...again...

 

[Runmyramble]

A couple of observations. First, we are witnessing in real time the folly in trying to start a religion using another religion's Scriptures. The Scriptures make no sense without the context in which they were written: The Tradition of the Church.

What St. Paul did was something distinct from baptism. Recall St. Paul said God did not call him to baptize. (cf. 1 Cor 1:17). Furthermore, it is important to remember there is only one baptism. (cf. Eph 4:5) So what exactly did he do to the disciples at Ephesus who were already baptized into Christ in Acts 19:5-6 when he laid hands on them?

Christian tradition answers this question. In baptism, the Holy Spirit is conferred in an invisible way. When an Apostle (and today, their successors) laid hands on someone already baptized, they were calling down the Holy Spirit in a visible and charismatic way. Thus from the beginning of Christianity, a distinction is made between baptism and the imposition of hands on a person and receiving the Holy Spirit in a more profound way. The most ancient of Christian traditions continue this practice to this day; for after a person is baptized, they are confirmed. It is thus demonstrably the regula fide of Christianity that from the beginning, there is a distinct and separate practice of baptism and confirmation.

Scripture is clear the laying on of hands is something separate and distinct from baptism. It is done post baptism. In addition to the verse referenced above from Acts, here is another verse describing it as something separate and distinct from baptism...

"Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment" (Heb. 6:1–2)

This is completely foreign to you because you do not have the context and living tradition which is described in the very Scriptures that confound you.

You are right about one thing...I am not trying to get caught up in the traditions of men..."religiosity".....You can do things on the outside that look good to others out of the wrong motive(heart)as was the pharisees criticize for....
And the context in which you speak is tied up in Catholic doctrine and No...I don't want none of it....no disrespect intended....Because it's more about religion than relationship.

And eternal life is about relationship as I shared the meaning from scripture earlier...one can wash themselves a million times and still have an evil heart.

So peace and blessings

 

[Walpole]

It's already been explained....
I even posted Matthew Henry commentary for you...

You got to be born from above.

I will do my best to explain...in the simplest way....but if you already have a box you view from you may not see....All I can asked is that you open your mind...

The key to upholding the Law is through the faithfulness of Jesus.

Why is upholding the law important?

God as in their day wants to be known and around us...God is Holy and righteous..and that's how we relate to Him

And there is a new and living way called the New Cov....Which is toward obeying the Spirit and not the Letter.

Eternal life is that they may know the only true God and Jesus Christ...

the term "know" implies an intimate relationship

There are natural laws in how things go on to live and what they grow towards.

Adam chose to obey Satan words therefore in Adam we all die...
"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive."

Whart's one reason we need to be made alive? Because there is no real life worth living without God and His purpose for us...

So God sends His son to accomplish this...He came that we may have life and have it more abundantly. A person can be alive physically but dead spiritually.

God is not the God of the dead but the living.....

So how do we become able to relate to God .....?
Through His son.
Who dies to reconcile us to God, and resurrects so that we can live by His Spirit/life.

But first one must believe who He is. As Father God revealed who Jesus was to Peter. This belief is with the intent to follow.

Well here one would say we received His Spirit....
With this Spirit comes new direction...and what happens is a new way of living and growing.

So down to the Niddy Griddy-
Recall the old Cov...Man were given the Covenant but Could not keep it...The law is Holy and keeping it is the way in which man relate to God......... The law I believe was called the Law after the Flesh.

So keeping the Law no longer by man's natural ability, their flesh would be the way to righteousness to be in the presence of God(salvation)

There is a new way in which the law that was after the flesh would be upheld. And this was going to be through the faithfulness of Jesus.

Coming under the rule of Christ through belief in who He is with intent to follow is how we enter the kingdom on earth.

Jesus who resurrected in bodily form Lives...and because He does He is a faithful source of salvation- (deliverence, protection, life, hiding place etc)

There is a reason one cannot say they know Him and not keep His words or commands.

Because God is in the light and there is no darkness in Him at all....We can't be in the dark and have Life.

Recall to relate to a Holy God one should be Holy.

Now in my opinion when one is put into Christ they are Justified positional meaning they are called to live set apart from the world for God's purposes.

But here is the issue..We are told to grow in grace...so even though we are Called out to live Holy we still have sin in our lives....

Eternal life which is our salvation is in Christ. In my opinion it's because God is in Christ....And you can have access to God in christ when by the Spirit you put away the deeds of the flesh...This is what it means to come alive.

What is happening is what you begin to practice by heeding to the Spirit that guides you, you become..So when we don't want to turn the other cheek and the Spirit brings the teaching of Christ to our remembrance and we obey from the heart...we are becoming the type of people that from the heart will naturally do what is in the heart (who we are becoming or have become)

If your read the whole chapter of 3 and 4...you find one is to maintain good works that keeps a good conscience, for if one suffers for doing wrong they bring others to God....God is able to use you as a vessel of righteousness.

Now recall one is put in Christ, the answer for a clear conscience is found in the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

So what can this mean?
One, to be resurrected you have to be quicken by the Holy Spirit....in His, God made Jesus's body alive-and He had a bodily resurrection. You see His Spirit never died......Why or How did this all happen?
He was obedient unto death by obeying His Father who is Spirit. So He obeyed the Spirit.
Therefore the Holy Spirit is our baptism
that gives us a clear conscience before God, because if that same Spirit that was in Christ is in us it will also quicken our mortal body. So being alive is key, because as I said earlier God is not the God of the dead but the living.

Life breeds Life

So this is the passage that shows how we have a clear conscience before God: 1 John 1:7

But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

So Jesus is the Light And God is in the light....God is truth and righteousness and Jesus is the way, He is the living word made flesh.

Another words the way to the Father is the son...Jesus's is the way and we are given His Spirit, His life.

So recall if this passage: Roman 8:13

For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Another words Jesus Died for the Penalty of our sin so that He might bring us to God...

How by giving us His life to feed off of...[life breeds life] by obeying the Spirit (word, teachings).
You see How they ate from Satans words and He brought death, Well eat off God's word and it brings life.

How ? The living Spirit, God is not dead He is alive.
So how we have a good conscience before God is to live by His Spirit;word.
For if we are walking in the light.....we are not walking in the dark. Which is how we put away the deeds of the flesh....

So if you are living by the Spirit you are not living by what you can do in your natural ability; the flesh.

So as you continue to obey you are becoming in the heart the type of person that naturally does who you have become on the outside.
And this is how you uphold the law through the faith(teachings of Jesus)where both your heart and deeds are in alignment where you can have fellowship with God and others.

So this is where He tells the pharasees to first make the inside of the cup clean then it will be cleansed on the outside.

Or first make the tree good and it's fruit will be.
It's our conscience that is the issues...and the conscience is made clear before God as we walk in the Spirit...because as we walk in the Spirit the blood is cleansing us from all sin.

So the Baptism that saves is through the resurrection of Jesus's, His quickening Spirit, that gives life to our soul/spirit that has been seperated from God by sin.





So we are given the Spirit to live by it.
Or walk by it, or one can say heed to it, or be obedient to.

Our Blessed Lord said two things are required to be born again: Water and the Spirit.

Christians call this baptism. We have the example of our Blessed Lord Himself, who at His own baptism went into the water and the Spirit came upon Him.

Baptism is the normative means by which God brings people to newness of life (Romans 6:4). It means the old life and person has died in baptism and is made new, born again (John 3:5). This belief is based on all the baptism texts of Scripture, which say baptism "forgives sins" (Acts 2:38), "washes sin away" (Acts 22:16), "regenerates" (Titus 3:4-7), "buries, unites us to Christ, and frees us from sin" (Romans 6:1-10), was typified in the Israelites crossing the Red Sea (1 Corinthians 10:1-4) and yes, "saves" us (1 Peter 3:21).

I keep asking for an example of a dry baptism - that is one without water but only the Spirit - and no one can provide me an example. When our Blessed Lord gave His final instruction, He said to teach and baptize all nations. He then gave the proper form for administering baptism, "...in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." Do you know ANYONE who administers a baptism using this form, as instructed by Jesus, apart from the use of water?

My questions require simple yes or no answers, not continually dodges with non-sequiturs.

 

[Runmyramble]

Your post was just a repeated series of non-sequiturs. But, I will respond to it...again...

Well if you could not see...then Its time to shake the dust off....and move on...

 

[Walpole]

You are right about one thing...I am not trying to get caught up in the traditions of men..."religiosity".....You can do things on the outside that look good to others out of the wrong motive(heart)as was the pharisees criticize for....
And the context in which you speak is tied up in Catholic doctrine and No...I don't want none of it....no disrespect intended....Because it's more about religion than relationship.

And eternal life is about relationship as I shared the meaning from scripture earlier...one can wash themselves a million times and still have an evil heart.

So peace and blessings

At least you are honest that what you are advocating is something not found in Christian tradition, but rather something entirely foreign to Christianity because it was made up and is novel. To show you how far the progeny of the original Protestants have come, here is the progenitor himself on baptism:

"This is the simplest way to put it: the power, effect, benefit, fruit, and purpose of baptism is that it saves. For no one is baptized in order to become a prince, but as the words say, ‘to be saved.’ To be saved, as everyone knows, is nothing else than to be delivered from sin, death and the devil, to enter into Christ’s kingdom, and to live with him forever." - Martin Luther, Large Catechism

 

[Walpole]

Well if you could not see...then Its time to shake the dust off....and move on...

Probably so. You can only lead a horse to water...

 

[Runmyramble]

Our Blessed Lord said two things are required to be born again: Water and the Spirit.

Christians call this baptism. We have the example of our Blessed Lord Himself, who at His own baptism went into the water and the Spirit came upon Him.

Baptism is the normative means by which God brings people to newness of life (Romans 6:4). It means the old life and person has died in baptism and is made new, born again (John 3:5). This belief is based on all the baptism texts of Scripture, which say baptism "forgives sins" (Acts 2:38), "washes sin away" (Acts 22:16), "regenerates" (Titus 3:4-7), "buries, unites us to Christ, and frees us from sin" (Romans 6:1-10), was typified in the Israelites crossing the Red Sea (1 Corinthians 10:1-4) and yes, "saves" us (1 Peter 3:21).

I keep asking for an example of a dry baptism - that is one without water but only the Spirit - and no one can provide me an example. When our Blessed Lord gave His final instruction, He said to teach and baptize all nations. He then gave the proper form for administering baptism, "...in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." Do you know ANYONE who administers a baptism using this form, as instructed by Jesus, apart from the use of water?

My questions require simple yes or no answers, not continually dodges with non-sequiturs.

Yes teach them by immersing them in the presence of God by teaching them to do all that He commanded...It's right there....
Your eyes are not opened...

 

[Runmyramble]

At least you are honest that what you are advocating is something not found in Christian tradition, but rather something entirely foreign to Christianity because it was made up and is novel. To show you how far the progeny of the original Protestants have come, here is the progenitor himself on baptism:

"This is the simplest way to put it: the power, effect, benefit, fruit, and purpose of baptism is that it saves. For no one is baptized in order to become a prince, but as the words say, ‘to be saved.’ To be saved, as everyone knows, is nothing else than to be delivered from sin, death and the devil, to enter into Christ’s kingdom, and to live with him forever." - Martin Luther, Large Catechism

My best friend was Catholic and my Spouse...but their eyes were open to the truth...Still love you though but after that long post I wrote if your eyes are still closed then what more is there to discuss....You have a great Labor Day.

 

[Runmyramble]

Probably so. You can only lead a horse to water...

Yes true that...

 

[Runmyramble]

At least you are honest that what you are advocating is something not found in Christian tradition, but rather something entirely foreign to Christianity because it was made up and is novel. To show you how far the progeny of the original Protestants have come, here is the progenitor himself on baptism:

"This is the simplest way to put it: the power, effect, benefit, fruit, and purpose of baptism is that it saves. For no one is baptized in order to become a prince, but as the words say, ‘to be saved.’ To be saved, as everyone knows, is nothing else than to be delivered from sin, death and the devil, to enter into Christ’s kingdom, and to live with him forever." - Martin Luther, Large Catechism

What Does scripture (God's Word) say:

This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men—the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do." He said to them, "All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition.

Colossians 2:8Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of  the world, and not according to Christ.

1 peter 1:17-9And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one's work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear; knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.

 

[Cnkw3]

It says the apostles came that they "might receive the Holy Spirit". But in what way had they not received the Holy Spirit?
Remember that in post #610 I pointed out that there are two ways that we "receive the Holy Spirit"; the Spirit within and the Spirit upon.
Which is this? Well it tells us "it had not yet fallen on any of them". That is the Spirit upon.

The Holy Spirit indwells at baptism is shown by Peters address in Acts 2 -And Peter said to them, “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

You are making a good argument and it’s the argument that 90+% of the Christian world makes. I do not agree and I think people have been taught wrong and misled. Not necessarily on purpose but through ignorance.
The Bible is it’s own best commentary. If one will read and study they will find that the Bible will explain what it means on many topics.
I believe acts 8 is Bible commentary for acts 2. In acts 2 Peter makes two promises.
1. If a believer will repent and be baptized their sins will be removed which means they are saved. Mk 16:16.
2. He then uses the word AND to say they would receive the gift of the HS. But he DID NOT say these two things would happen at the same time.
In acts 8 we are told this about the converts in Samaria...
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
What does he mean by “ONLY” they had been baptized? Again...Peter had made two promises. 1. baptism to remove sins. 2. gift of the HS. The Samaritans had received ONLY one of these. They had been saved through obedience to the gospel in baptism but had not YET received the gift of the HS, which is what they received through laying on of hands. They had ONLY been baptized (meaning of course that they were saved).
In Mk 16 Jesus made a similar promise. He said those that believe would be able to perform certain miracles. Was this promise for everybody at the point of baptism? No! If not why not? We know this because of the examples we are given in the NT. Not all baptized individuals automatically received miraculous gifts. Those on Pentecost didn’t even receive it.
I guess Jesus broke his promise.
I will add this....
I do not believe the HS personally and directly falls upon an individual for salvation at the point of baptism. In baptism a person is washed by the blood of Jesus. That is what saves. There is now no need for some personal HS intervention for salvation. The blood is enough.

 

[Cnkw3]

Paul writes:
For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. (Gal 3:27).
And he links that to receiving the indwelling of Holy Spirit

Where does he link that to receiving the indwelling? It’s not in 2 cor 1.
What does it mean to “put on Christ”?
I believe when you look at passages like Eph 4:24. Col 3:9-11. That when one is baptized into Christ they put on Christ in that they are now holy and righteous. Completely sin free. A new creature made in the likeness of Christ. This is why Paul could describe it Rom 6 as raised with Christ to “walk in newness of life”. This does not happen until AFTER baptism and it has NOTHING to do with a personal indwelling Spirit.

But it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has commissioned us; 22 he has put his seal upon us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee. (2Cor 1:21-22)

In the context of 2 Cor 1; who is the “us” and who is the “you”?
Read the whole first chapter and you will see a definite distinction between the “us” and the “you”. The “you” is obviously the church at Corinth. I believe the “us” is the apostles and those like Timothy that he mentions in vs 1.
For example...
2 cor 1:8,11 For we would not, brethren, have you ignorant of our trouble which came to us in Asia, that we were pressed out of measure, above strength, insomuch that we despaired even of life:
Ye also helping together by prayer for us, that for the gift bestowed upon us by the means of many persons thanks may be given by many on our behalf.
There is a definite separation between the US/WE and YOU/YE.
So when we get to vs 21 and 22 it is the US, and not the YOU, who is established, commissioned, and sealed. I do not think you can use this passage to support a literal, personal indwelling of the HS at baptism.

It was prophesied by Ezekial (Ez 36)
25 I will sprinkle clean water upon you [Baptism], and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you.
26 A new heart I will give you, and a new spirit I will put within you; and I will take out of your flesh the heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to observe my ordinances.

I don’t disagree with this or the promise made by Joel.
But what this passage DOES NOT say is the “spirit” that will be “in you” will be some literal, personal indwelling. I believe when we allow the word to work in us we have the Spirit dwelling in us. I could very easy let the Bible back me up on that with parallel verses in Eph 5:18,19 and Col 3:16.
These do not say this happens at baptism.