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What is The Baptism that saves us now?
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Can you relate that to my post?
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Sorry, made a mistake
Runmyramble
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Born of Spirit is Spirit
Born:
1) of men who fathered children
@ to be born
@ to be begotten
@ of women giving birth to children
2) metaph.
@to engender, cause to arise, excite
@in a Jewish sense, of one who brings others over to his
way of life, to convert someone
@ of God making Christ his son
@ of God making men his sons through faith in Christ's work
Born:
1) of men who fathered children
@ to be born
@ to be begotten
@ of women giving birth to children
2) metaph.
@to engender, cause to arise, excite
@in a Jewish sense, of one who brings others over to his
way of life, to convert someone
@ of God making Christ his son
@ of God making men his sons through faith in Christ's work
Runmyramble
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What Does the Bible Say About The Spirit Of Man?
What Does the Bible Say About The Spirit Of Man?
Bible verses about The Spirit Of Man
Zechariah 12;21
The burden of the word of the Lord concerning Israel: Thus declares the Lord, who stretched out the heavens and founded the earth and formed the spirit of man within him:
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Please don't be presumptuous and put words in my mouth that I never stated.
If you choose to believe that your physical body was born again along with your spirit then that is your choice.
No Scripture teaches this, and therefore is unscriptural.
I have asked you to provide scripture that teaches our physical body is born again, and you have not.
You just continue to promote your unscriptural doctrine, to the brothers and sisters in this conmmunity.
JLB
Yes, that is what you have claimed, that your physical body was born again along with your spirit.
So you disagree with my explanation of acts 8? When he used the word “only” been baptized...what do you think he meant?
When it comes to the Bible, the majority is usually wrong. Didn’t 90% of the spies want to stay home? How many people in the world were saved at the flood? In Kings it was Elijah against 400 plus prophets. Was Isaiah in the majority when he prophesied ton srael in his day? After 3 years of preaching and teaching Jesus only had around 120 followers. At the trial the majority of the religious wanted Barabas. Saul was with the majority while he was persecuting Christians. The Lord in the OT talked of having a remnant of people left that were with him. In Rev 3:4 there were only a few that had not defiled their garments. The majority has never been with the Lord. How many does Jesus think will receive eternal life? Matt 7 FEW WILL FIND IT. He even warned of being in the majority....
Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
Tks
So at what point do you know you have eternal life?
When The Spirit bears witness with my spirit, that I am a child of God.
The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God. Romans 8:16
Yes. The discussion was people receiving the Spirit at baptism. I was using acts 8 to show that....no, people don’t get the Spirit when they come up out of the water. It didn’t happen to those in Samaria and the HS recorded this fact for learning and understanding.
Yes and those in Ephesus DID NOT receive this at baptism. It wasn’t until an apostle laid his hands on them.
I never said....the apostles were the ONLY ones that could receive the gift of the HG. Please show me where I said that. The apostles were the only ones walking this earth that could GIVE it.
Runmyramble
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Here is a passage that I and hope others can meditate on, study and learn from.
My question is to get a clear understanding...about what's the difference between sprinkled with water verses blood? I know one has to do with the inside and the other the outside.
That may mean to me, Jesus dealt with the outside (by the death of his body) where He took the Penalty of sin upon Himself, whereby the payment for our sins.. (grace) in order that in this life we now live we can relate to or come in fellowship with God; through the process of learning how to live by His Spirit through His faithfulness (grace)
So this passage in Hebrews may help...
9 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.
3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.
6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
My question is to get a clear understanding...about what's the difference between sprinkled with water verses blood? I know one has to do with the inside and the other the outside.
That may mean to me, Jesus dealt with the outside (by the death of his body) where He took the Penalty of sin upon Himself, whereby the payment for our sins.. (grace) in order that in this life we now live we can relate to or come in fellowship with God; through the process of learning how to live by His Spirit through His faithfulness (grace)
So this passage in Hebrews may help...
Hebrews 99 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.
3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.
6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
You are kidding me, right? Peter NEVER touched Cornelius and the HG just miraculously fell on him. That did not happen to those in Ephesus. It took Paul laying his hands on them for them to receive this ability. If you can’t see the difference then it’s like the blind leading the blind.
I’m going to assume that “c” is the remission of sins, since that is what peter promised to those that repented and were baptized. So.....at what point are sins removed? Before or after baptism? Had Cornelius been baptized when he received the gift of the Spirit? No! Had his sins been remitted? No! Or else God is a liar, cause nowhere did he ever promise that sins would be removed at the point of receiving miraculous manifestation of the Spirit. I’ll need book chapter and verse on that one.
Had those in Ephesus been baptized, therefore sins removed, when they received the gift? Yes!
So....these are NOT the same. The HS in both accounts had NOTHING to do with salvation. And, Peter never promised that it would.
Haha. So, your saying the nonsense I see coming out of Jimmy swaggert and others is.....”the Spirit making intercession” with jibber jabber because Jimmy don’t know what to pray for? Jimmy has written an entire Bible commentary and you think he don’t know what to pray for? I totally disagree with your understanding of this passage. “Tongues” every single time in the NT was a language. That junk coming out of these mouths I see is no language ANYBODY could understand.
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Interesting
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I was just thinking about this from Hebrews passage...
My thoughts at this time are Sins are forgiven in Christ. But to know they are forgiven is to walk in the light. Which is wear the blood cleanses your conscience.
The issue is our conscience...Can you come to some one with a clear conscience and asked for money when you owe them money from the past?
But if you payed them first...lol yes
Hebrews 10
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
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James
Now if any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him. But he must ask in faith, without doubting, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. 7That man should not expect to receive anything from the Lord. 8He is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.
Cnkw3
And that is why above...
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Sounds like the actions of man have to be in alignment with the actions of God.
Sounds like one that would be in the book of Life....
The conscience is only as good as the truth that it’s based on.
You might have a clear conscience and think you are in the right but if that is not based on truth then your conscience will mislead you. Paul is a perfect example of that.