The letter kills but The Spirit gives life!
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The letter kills but The Spirit gives life!
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Mitspa
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The Lord Jesus told the religious class of His time, that if they had really heard the law and prophets that they would know who He was? He said because these are those which spoke of ME!
The Word was made flesh and dwelt in the midst of us, and the Word was God!
Jesus Christ was in fact every jot and tittle of the law and prophets. He was the Law, the law was a shadow or type of Him!
The Ten Commandments was a picture of His Own righteous Heart!
Now lets consider the woman caught in the act of adultry?
The accusers stood ready to stone her for breaking Gods Law? Yet they who pretended to uphold Gods law, could not see that God stood before them and was about to judge them for judging others by a standard they could not of had not kept.
At this time no sin had been forgiven, only covered by type with the blood of bulls and goats. No forgivness had been given to any man for sins, until The Lord Himself offered up His own Blood.
God came down and wrote into the dirt (adam) and these religious men, was able to see their own sin!
Then those who older, having more sin, turn and left.
Some of you who do not understand The Blood of Jesus nor do you understand the purpose of the Law of moses, should TURN to God, and be made clean?
"Niether do I condemn thee, go and sin no more"
The strength of sin is the law, the power over sin is His Grace and no condemnation!
You may not understand that? So you should seek God with your whole heart until you do!
TURN FROM LAW. TURN TO CHRIST!
-Mitspa
For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
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And of course one can chase their tail on these matters as the thread starter shows continually:
It is quite entertaining to see on one hand, the claims to fulfill the commandment while the simultaneous claim to turn away from same.
If that seems to make sense to any of you what can I say?
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Mitspa said:
It is quite entertaining to see on one hand, the claims to fulfill the commandment while the simultaneous claim to turn away from same.
If that seems to make sense to any of you what can I say?
s
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The covenant has not changed.
Hebrews 8:10
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Hebrews 10:16
This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
A carnal mind can not come into understandings of these matters. They will always and only hold up carnal understandings of LAW.
The LAW is in fact quite Spiritual and always was.
I accept that it was handled and shown carnally/externally for a time in the O.T. people, as that is the Way of God's showing. First the natural, then the Spiritual.
Many remain in the natural understandings only and can not submit to Spiritual understandings. Nothing more than that.
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not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
We now have a divine nature that desires true righteousness and holiness.
Not the letter, which kills, but the Spirit which gives life!
The Law exposed our old nature, but couldn't do anything to mortify its desires.
For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit
but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
Notice what it doesn't say - but if by the Law you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
In the new covenant, we live by the newness of the Spirit, that is to say, by our new divine nature! Not by the letter of the Law!
JLB
We now have a divine nature that desires true righteousness and holiness.
Not the letter, which kills, but the Spirit which gives life!
The Law exposed our old nature, but couldn't do anything to mortify its desires.
For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit
but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
Notice what it doesn't say - but if by the Law you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
In the new covenant, we live by the newness of the Spirit, that is to say, by our new divine nature! Not by the letter of the Law!
JLB
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You continue to hold up mere natural caricatures of the LAW that have in fact PASSED.
The Law is, as a matter of fact, SPIRITUAL, and always was. Even though it was handled first CARNALLY.
Those who can not see the SPIRITUAL MATTERS of the LAW do not and can not see THE LETTER spiritually. Nothing more than that.
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Okay, so you don't want the carrot?
Then you get the stick!
6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:6-9
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
JLB
Proverbs 26:4-5
4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Lest you also be like him.
5 Answer a fool according to his folly, Lest he be wise in his own eyes.
These two scriptures are both God's word and say exactly the opposite, which one is true?
JLB
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Matthew 7:26
And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand
And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand
Your problem is: You don't seem to understand that sin is not defined by just the ten commandments, which is why they evolved into 613.
The Spirit of God has made it clear - ANYTHING not from faith is sin.
Any word or action that does not originate or have it's inspiration from God is sin!
That's why the word says - as many as are led by the Spirit of God, THESE are the sons of God!
God has given us His son as a propitiation for our sins, and He has given us a divine nature by which we can be led.
Any thought or action "outside" of God's will is sin! Not just the 10 commandments!
If Jesus had not come when He did and man was left to figure out what sin was, there would be 3000 laws or more by now, which there would not be enough animals to sacrifice and make atonement for the sins of mankind. They simply would not be able to reproduce fast enough to keep up with the demand of all the sacrifices required to make atonement!
Try to get it, it's not what you "think" sin is, it's what God says sin is!
JLB
The Spirit of God has made it clear - ANYTHING not from faith is sin.
Any word or action that does not originate or have it's inspiration from God is sin!
That's why the word says - as many as are led by the Spirit of God, THESE are the sons of God!
God has given us His son as a propitiation for our sins, and He has given us a divine nature by which we can be led.
Any thought or action "outside" of God's will is sin! Not just the 10 commandments!
If Jesus had not come when He did and man was left to figure out what sin was, there would be 3000 laws or more by now, which there would not be enough animals to sacrifice and make atonement for the sins of mankind. They simply would not be able to reproduce fast enough to keep up with the demand of all the sacrifices required to make atonement!
Try to get it, it's not what you "think" sin is, it's what God says sin is!
JLB
Please answer the question, which one?
Proverbs 26:4-5
4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Lest you also be like him.
5 Answer a fool according to his folly, Lest he be wise in his own eyes.
These two scriptures are both God's word and say exactly the opposite, which one is true?
JLB
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Perhaps an early lesson of LAW is that we have sin?
You can deny Gods Words on any basis you think you see.
I'll stick to Jesus on this matter:
"And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God."
Toss away as many as you please from there. Jesus' Word is not going to change or go away.
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What in the world makes you think there is some kind of conflict there where one or the other is true?
God might show you sometime that the wise and the fool are bound together in the same lump, as well as the 'rich' and the 'poor.'
At that point you might stop trying to heap up Proverbs against others and apply them to yourSELF?
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Mitspa
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God has given us some good examples of what the Spiritual looks like verses the letter? circumcision by the letter looks completly different than by the Spirit!
The true Sabbath is The Eternal Rest given to us in Christ, see Heb4
Its the same with all the Commandments, those who look to the letter can not nor will they ever be able to see how they are fulfilled in the Spirit!
That's what I thought!
I never mentioned a conflict! I asked which one is true!
In this situation, it takes The Spirit of God to lead you into the truth, based on:
Who the fool is!
What is the setting? A courtroom or on the street?
Is the fool your friend or a Judge?
Is the fool your parent or your child?
Has the fool been warned before or not?
On and on and on....
You can't answer a simple question, yet you think you have the ability to determine what sin is or is not!
I have proved my point, or rather, you have proved it for for me!
JLB