Eventide
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Re: Ephesians 1:13
Then perhaps you're referring to infant baptism.. same building though ?
Then perhaps you're referring to infant baptism.. same building though ?
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BornAgain
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Re: Ephesians 1:13
No Eventide, I was just baptized 1 year ago. I was a Catholic my entire life and was converted but at my first baptism did not fully understand the gospel. After more reading and listening to the gospel one day I had the feeling upon my heart to be baptized...
No Eventide, I was just baptized 1 year ago. I was a Catholic my entire life and was converted but at my first baptism did not fully understand the gospel. After more reading and listening to the gospel one day I had the feeling upon my heart to be baptized...
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rrowell
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Re: Ephesians 1:13
No, I am saying one cannot claim to be a believer and not do all he commands:
John 14:15 (KJV)
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Belief is a prerequisite "unto" salvation, so too is water baptism a prerequisite "unto" salvation.
One cannot be in a saved condition "until" one has had their sins remitted..
One cannot have their sins remitted until one is "water baptized".
So you claim to have been "saved" still in sin?
No, I am saying one cannot claim to be a believer and not do all he commands:
John 14:15 (KJV)
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Belief is a prerequisite "unto" salvation, so too is water baptism a prerequisite "unto" salvation.
One cannot be in a saved condition "until" one has had their sins remitted..
One cannot have their sins remitted until one is "water baptized".
So you claim to have been "saved" still in sin?
Eventide
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Re: Ephesians 1:13
Ok then thank you.. now you admit that I was saved after I trusted in Christ and after I believed.
Ok then thank you.. now you admit that I was saved after I trusted in Christ and after I believed.
Eventide
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Re: Ephesians 1:13
SO what did you understand when you were baptized the first time..?
Did you believe that Christ died for your sins ? Did you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ ? Did you believe that He is the Son of God ?
SO what did you understand when you were baptized the first time..?
Did you believe that Christ died for your sins ? Did you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ ? Did you believe that He is the Son of God ?
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rrowell
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Re: Ephesians 1:13
I believe you think you had two baptisms and the Bible teaches only one, so I question whether your belief is biblical or not?
I believe you think you had two baptisms and the Bible teaches only one, so I question whether your belief is biblical or not?
Eventide
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Re: Ephesians 1:13
I wonder if the imaculate conception of Mary is biblical or not.. LOL
Not really..
I wonder if the imaculate conception of Mary is biblical or not.. LOL
Not really..
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BornAgain
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Re: Ephesians 1:13
I really didn't understand too much....being a catholic my entire life and then making that transition wasn't easy. I thought it was something I should do.
I really didn't understand too much....being a catholic my entire life and then making that transition wasn't easy. I thought it was something I should do.
Yes, I do believe Jesus died for "our" sins. I believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and He is the Son of God. I also believe in following his commands, too.
Eventide
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Re: Ephesians 1:13
Me too.. and so you believed that Jesus is the Son of God who died for your sins the FIRST time that you were baptized.. correct ?
Now what changed when you were baptized in water a second time ?
Me too.. and so you believed that Jesus is the Son of God who died for your sins the FIRST time that you were baptized.. correct ?
Now what changed when you were baptized in water a second time ?
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BornAgain
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Re: Ephesians 1:13
Yes, I did.
Now what changed when you were baptized in water a second time ? Because I was taught different than the catholic faith. The catholic church I went to never even had a bible in the pews. I never held a bible until I was 45 years old...when I began to read, study and hear that is when I made my conversion.
Lol, I will get this quote thing down soon!
Yes, I did.
Now what changed when you were baptized in water a second time ? Because I was taught different than the catholic faith. The catholic church I went to never even had a bible in the pews. I never held a bible until I was 45 years old...when I began to read, study and hear that is when I made my conversion.
Lol, I will get this quote thing down soon!
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rrowell
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Re: Ephesians 1:13
The part you don't understand is "belief" is only one part your trip to salvation, you first must hear the truth before you can believe it.
Romans 10:17 (KJV)
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
can't be save yet, we still have other commands, then once you believe what you hear you must obey the commands given on your trip to salvation.
Romans 10:9 (KJV)
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Note hear "confess with thy mouth" must be done to be saved... so we cannot be saved by just belief we must too confess Christ. but wait? there is more.
This scripture says we must repent and be baptized "for remission of sins" and then and only then do you receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost:
Acts 2:38 (KJV)
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
So, in order to have done "all" that is commanded to be saved, one must:
Hear the Gospel, Believe it, repent of our sinful ways, confess Jesus by mouth, and be baptized by water, until you do ALL of these you have not kept his commands, and do not love him, obviously do not believe, and cannot be saved.
When one goes by the following verse, they MUST do ALL his commands or they have not "called upon the name of the Lord", as that statement says "by his authority" and he say "keep my commandments"
Romans 10:13 (KJV)
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
The part you don't understand is "belief" is only one part your trip to salvation, you first must hear the truth before you can believe it.
Romans 10:17 (KJV)
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
can't be save yet, we still have other commands, then once you believe what you hear you must obey the commands given on your trip to salvation.
Romans 10:9 (KJV)
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Note hear "confess with thy mouth" must be done to be saved... so we cannot be saved by just belief we must too confess Christ. but wait? there is more.
This scripture says we must repent and be baptized "for remission of sins" and then and only then do you receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost:
Acts 2:38 (KJV)
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
So, in order to have done "all" that is commanded to be saved, one must:
Hear the Gospel, Believe it, repent of our sinful ways, confess Jesus by mouth, and be baptized by water, until you do ALL of these you have not kept his commands, and do not love him, obviously do not believe, and cannot be saved.
When one goes by the following verse, they MUST do ALL his commands or they have not "called upon the name of the Lord", as that statement says "by his authority" and he say "keep my commandments"
Romans 10:13 (KJV)
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Eventide
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Re: Ephesians 1:13
So you're avoiding the obvious here.. what changed ?
You just said that you believed that Jesus Christ died for your sins the FIRST time that you were baptized.. so why were you baptized again ?
I'd be willing to be that it's because the one true church told you that your first baptism didn't count because it was not done in their assembly..
Is that correct ? If not.. then again, what made you get baptized a second time in water ?
So you're avoiding the obvious here.. what changed ?
You just said that you believed that Jesus Christ died for your sins the FIRST time that you were baptized.. so why were you baptized again ?
I'd be willing to be that it's because the one true church told you that your first baptism didn't count because it was not done in their assembly..
Is that correct ? If not.. then again, what made you get baptized a second time in water ?
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rrowell
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Re: Ephesians 1:13
What does that have to do with Baptism?
Answer me, how many times were you baptized? and if 1, which one was it?
What does that have to do with Baptism?
Answer me, how many times were you baptized? and if 1, which one was it?
Eventide
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Re: Ephesians 1:13
Well then I'm all set.. because I was SEALED with the HOLY SPIRIT after trusting in Christ and after I believed, and I was also baptized in water after I was saved.
How's that imaculate conception thing going for you.. do you need to believe that too because the one true church claims it is true ?
Well then I'm all set.. because I was SEALED with the HOLY SPIRIT after trusting in Christ and after I believed, and I was also baptized in water after I was saved.
How's that imaculate conception thing going for you.. do you need to believe that too because the one true church claims it is true ?
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rrowell
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Re: Ephesians 1:13
Answer my question, how many times were you baptized, and if once, which one?
Answer my question, how many times were you baptized, and if once, which one?
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rrowell
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Re: Ephesians 1:13
Show me scriptural where you were saved "before" you were water baptized?
Show me how you were save without remitting sin?
Show me scriptural where you were saved "before" you were water baptized?
Show me how you were save without remitting sin?
Eventide
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Re: Ephesians 1:13
It has to do with how utterly ridiculous religious pride can be.. that's all.
Twice.. once into the body of Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit, and then in water after I was saved and became a member of the body of Christ.
It has to do with how utterly ridiculous religious pride can be.. that's all.
Twice.. once into the body of Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit, and then in water after I was saved and became a member of the body of Christ.
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BornAgain
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Re: Ephesians 1:13
Geez. I have been as honest as I can...when I first started attending the Church of Christ, I felt it more of a duty as I was taught in the catholic faith, more of an obligation rather than hearing the truth about baptism. I was baptized the first time out of "duty" like the 7 sacraments you have to "perform" as a catholic." Then the more I attended the Church of Christ and studied through bible study and fellowship learned the truth and God put it on my heart to be baptized as one of his commands. I was baptized in the same church and had meetings with 3 of the members prior to my baptism to to ask them if there is such a thing as a repeat baptism. I felt that the first time I was baptized was with not the correct intentions and asked to be baptized again....this time knowing the truth, believe, repent, confess and be baptized according to the Bible.
Geez. I have been as honest as I can...when I first started attending the Church of Christ, I felt it more of a duty as I was taught in the catholic faith, more of an obligation rather than hearing the truth about baptism. I was baptized the first time out of "duty" like the 7 sacraments you have to "perform" as a catholic." Then the more I attended the Church of Christ and studied through bible study and fellowship learned the truth and God put it on my heart to be baptized as one of his commands. I was baptized in the same church and had meetings with 3 of the members prior to my baptism to to ask them if there is such a thing as a repeat baptism. I felt that the first time I was baptized was with not the correct intentions and asked to be baptized again....this time knowing the truth, believe, repent, confess and be baptized according to the Bible.
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rrowell
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Re: Ephesians 1:13
Then how do you get by this scripture:
Ephesians 4:4-6 (KJV)
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Then how do you get by this scripture:
Ephesians 4:4-6 (KJV)
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Eventide
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Re: Ephesians 1:13
Once again.. I have and you simply can't receive it..
Eph 1:13 says CLEAR AS DAY that I was SEALED with the Holy Spirit UNTO THE DAY OF REDEMPTION after I trusted in Christ and after I believed..
If that isn't saved to you then imo you haven't a clue what being saved actually is... and that makes perfect sense to me because Catholics constantly teach that infants are born again when they're baptized in water when they're not.. so you have probably been taught that you're born again and yet you may not be..
All so that the so called one true church can continue to make zillions of dollars on the populace.. sad but true facts in Christendom.
Once again.. I have and you simply can't receive it..
Eph 1:13 says CLEAR AS DAY that I was SEALED with the Holy Spirit UNTO THE DAY OF REDEMPTION after I trusted in Christ and after I believed..
If that isn't saved to you then imo you haven't a clue what being saved actually is... and that makes perfect sense to me because Catholics constantly teach that infants are born again when they're baptized in water when they're not.. so you have probably been taught that you're born again and yet you may not be..
All so that the so called one true church can continue to make zillions of dollars on the populace.. sad but true facts in Christendom.