CAN A REFORMED BELIEVER FALL AWAY FROM FAITH?

[GodsGrace]

The Bible is an integrated whole and must be understood as such. The Father moved Jesus as He moved the other writers.

[Jhn 5:30 NIV]
30 By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

You don't seem to be understanding what is being said.

Good night. Late here.

 

[electedbyHim]

And we are told to run the race in such a way as to win. This implies strenuous effort and perseverance. Who provides frail fallen creatures with such? Why?

I lean towards the genuinely converted staying the course overall even with some falls here and there. Having written that…

We are warned that in the last days false prophets shall arise and they may deceive the very elect…if possible.

Again the tension.

Yes....if possible.

 

[rogerg]

You don't seem to be understanding what is being said.

Possibly I'm misunderstanding, but I believe that I've understood. I'm open to correction if I haven't

 

[Cooper]

"all"? First, that's impossible for anyone to accomplish. Second, should anyone believe that salvation is by anything they
may or may not do, they've missed the gospel, the Saviour and His grace.

Follow Jesus the best way you can. He doesn't ask us to do the impossible.
.

 

[GodsGrace]

Possibly I'm misunderstanding, but I believe that I've understood. I'm open to correction if I haven't

Tomorrow...

 

[electedbyHim]

The tile of this thread should have been.

CAN A BELIEVER FALL AWAY FROM FAITH?​

 

[rogerg]

Follow Jesus the best way you can. He doesn't ask us to do the impossible.

The most important requirement of the gospel is impossible for natural man to accomplish.

 

[electedbyHim]

The most important requirement of the gospel is impossible for natural man to accomplish.

Agreed.

 

[Cooper]

The most important requirement of the gospel is impossible for natural man to accomplish.

It is late here. Tomorrow, and tell me what it is.
.

 

[jerry63935]

I lean towards the genuinely converted staying the course

that is more or less what Calvinism teaches and i to lean towards those truly saved. its called perseverance of the saints P.O.S

 

[Christ_empowered]

Thanks

I’m typing/thinking out loud. Funny how now concepts I thought I understood and accepted really truly make sense. I still see more tension than back when I liked rc sproul though.

 

[jerry63935]

Thanks

I’m typing/thinking out loud. Funny how now concepts I thought I understood and accepted really truly make sense. I still see more tension than back when I liked rc sproul though.

im not a big Calvinism fan there just as saved as i am and the next person.. in carm forum i have ran into those who called any thing outside there doctrine false teaching

 

[jerry63935]

The most important requirement of the gospel is impossible for natural man to accomplish.

natural yes But when the Holy spirit starts drawing us. we can then be saved the spirit quickens bring from the natural man to the regenerated / saved person Born Again

 

[Christ_empowered]

That’s a point Calvinists make…

All must repent but only the elect are given grace to repent.

 

[rogerg]

It is late here. Tomorrow, and tell me what it is.

Salvation

 

[rogerg]

natural yes But when the Holy spirit starts drawing us. we can then be saved the spirit quickens bring from the natural man to the regenerated / saved person Born Agai

If the Holy Spirit draws someone, then they have been saved. God does the saving, we don't. Being drawn
is the result of that, not its cause.

 

[rogerg]

All must repent but only the elect are given grace to repent.

Repentance is a gift given by the Father to those saved upon His saving of them.
Repentance is repentance from a trust in any of our works for salvation unto Christ. It is
given as a fruit of the Spirit, but after the fact.

[Heb 6:1 KJV] 1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

 

[jerry63935]

If the Holy Spirit draws someone, then they have been saved. God does the saving, we don't. Being drawn
is the result of that, not its cause.

aww so i gather your Calvinist you believe it your way and i will my way

 

[jerry63935]

Repentance is a gift given by the Father to those saved upon His saving of them.
Repentance is repentance from a trust in any of our works for salvation unto Christ. It is
given as a fruit of the Spirit, but after the fact.

[Heb 6:1 KJV] 1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

A Call to Repentance
…4Or those eighteen who were killed when the tower of Siloam collapsed on them: Do you think that they were more sinful than all the others living in Jerusalem? 5No, I tell you. But unless you repent, you too will all perish.” 6Then Jesus told this parable: “A man had a fig tree that was planted in his vineyard. He went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any.… repentance is to turn from so when peter wrote

2 Peter 3:9

King James Version

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9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. i also realize the word all gives Calvinist heartburn

 

[rogerg]

aww so i gather your Calvinist you believe it your way and i will my way

Not a Calvinist, a biblist, or better yet, a gospelist. All most all of my posts I back-up with scripture.
But, of course, have it your way.