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Both Mary & Joseph were in the line of King David so technically they all share common ancestry.
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Is Jesus genetically related to Mary?
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No, Jesus did not have any of Mary's genetic genes. If he had, he would have been born with sin. Mary was a 'host" or "surrogate." His placement into Mary womb was accomplished by what is commonly preformed today: in vitro fertilization
Psalms 51:5 kjv
5. Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
1 Peter 2:24 kjv
24. Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
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eddif
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See posts #3 & #6.
Hi eddif
God bless,
Ted
That was David's lament, not Jesus'. However, it is worth noting that this would also be a good reason to think that Jesus did not share any of Mary's DNA.
God bless,
Ted
Acts 8:34 kjv.
34. And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
35. Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
John 16:13 kjv
13. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
The prophets spoke of Christ (when looking for the most spiritual meaning)
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eddif
Hi eddif
I'm not actually clear on what these passages have to do with the issue under discussion. Can you be a bit more clear? How do these passages speak to whether or not the fetus of Jesus, while in Mary's womb, had either of his human parent's DNA?
God bless,
Ted
Hey All,
I have heard this before. If the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, was Jesus human. Let's look at the facts.
1. Mary's egg gives Jesus His humanity.
If He is not human the geneolgy in Luke 3 is a lie. If Jesus not human, then He doesn't belong on a list of humans.
2. We know Jesus experienced hunger. (Matthew 4:2; 21:18)
That is a human trait. Does the Father or the Holy Spirit experience hunger?
3. We know Jesus got thirsty. (John 21:18)
This is another human trait.
4. Jesus experienced temptation.
(Matthew 4:1-11)
God cannot be tempted because he is all-knowing. Jesus was all-knowing, but as a human, could still be tempted.
5. Jesus felt physical pain and suffering.
(Matthew 16:21; 27:28-30)
6. Jesus died. (Matthew 27:50)
God cannot die. Jesus,then, as just God could not die. But it was the humanity of Jesus that died.
Put them all together and they show Jesus' human nature. Yet He was also God. I can make a list of attributes that show His God nature.
Jesus is both. And not 50% God and 50% man.
He is 100% man and 100% God. (I know that is mathematically illogical, but God is not contained by human logic.) That is my understanding. I hope this helps. Keep walking everybody. May Go
d bless,
Taz
I have heard this before. If the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, was Jesus human. Let's look at the facts.
1. Mary's egg gives Jesus His humanity.
If He is not human the geneolgy in Luke 3 is a lie. If Jesus not human, then He doesn't belong on a list of humans.
2. We know Jesus experienced hunger. (Matthew 4:2; 21:18)
That is a human trait. Does the Father or the Holy Spirit experience hunger?
3. We know Jesus got thirsty. (John 21:18)
This is another human trait.
4. Jesus experienced temptation.
(Matthew 4:1-11)
God cannot be tempted because he is all-knowing. Jesus was all-knowing, but as a human, could still be tempted.
5. Jesus felt physical pain and suffering.
(Matthew 16:21; 27:28-30)
6. Jesus died. (Matthew 27:50)
God cannot die. Jesus,then, as just God could not die. But it was the humanity of Jesus that died.
Put them all together and they show Jesus' human nature. Yet He was also God. I can make a list of attributes that show His God nature.
Jesus is both. And not 50% God and 50% man.
He is 100% man and 100% God. (I know that is mathematically illogical, but God is not contained by human logic.) That is my understanding. I hope this helps. Keep walking everybody. May Go
d bless,
Taz
I usually have more to say. I went back and traced the progression of thoughts, and have nothing else to say. That is rare.
eddif
Hi Josef
Your entire post rests on the fact that you believe that if Jesus didn't have either of his parent's DNA that he wouldn't, then, be a human being is a fallacious consideration. Adam was a human and he had no parental DNA. He was made by the very hand of God, but he was a human. I consider Jesus make-up to be similar to Adam's. His human body was conceived by the Holy Spirit of God, just as Adam was actually created by God...according to God's testimony on the issue.
But all of your points in your post are based on this understanding of that specific issue, and I think you're wrong in thinking that such a fact would make any difference as to whether or not Jesus was a human person while living upon the earth. According to the writer of the Hebrews:
Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: “Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, But a body You have prepared for Me.
You see, as I understand the Scriptures, the personage of Jesus existed when the foundations of the world were established. What God did for him, as this passage seems to make clear, is make a body for him to indwell so that he could come and live among us and give us the true testimony of the Father. That's what the Scriptures say. Jesus also said, as he was about to 'return' to the Father, that he was 'returning'. That would infer that Jesus had been with the Father previously. So, he existed long before he was born in the world as a human and his humanness comes from the fact that God made him a human body to indwell.
Now, whether or not that body would be human wouldn't depend on whether or not he had some parental DNA any more than it would apply to Adam or Eve.
God bless,
Ted
I'm not sure I'm clear on 'why' just because Jesus didn't have parental DNA that he then wouldn't be a human. Weren't Adam and Eve humans?
Your entire post rests on the fact that you believe that if Jesus didn't have either of his parent's DNA that he wouldn't, then, be a human being is a fallacious consideration. Adam was a human and he had no parental DNA. He was made by the very hand of God, but he was a human. I consider Jesus make-up to be similar to Adam's. His human body was conceived by the Holy Spirit of God, just as Adam was actually created by God...according to God's testimony on the issue.
But all of your points in your post are based on this understanding of that specific issue, and I think you're wrong in thinking that such a fact would make any difference as to whether or not Jesus was a human person while living upon the earth. According to the writer of the Hebrews:
Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: “Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, But a body You have prepared for Me.
You see, as I understand the Scriptures, the personage of Jesus existed when the foundations of the world were established. What God did for him, as this passage seems to make clear, is make a body for him to indwell so that he could come and live among us and give us the true testimony of the Father. That's what the Scriptures say. Jesus also said, as he was about to 'return' to the Father, that he was 'returning'. That would infer that Jesus had been with the Father previously. So, he existed long before he was born in the world as a human and his humanness comes from the fact that God made him a human body to indwell.
Now, whether or not that body would be human wouldn't depend on whether or not he had some parental DNA any more than it would apply to Adam or Eve.
God bless,
Ted
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Yes, Jesus was carrying Mary's DNA.
Good point, as all men are descended from Adam.
I used 1 Peter 2:24 kjv
24. Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
I just seem to think sins are recorded in DNA. For some reason my thoughts are rejected or not understood. DNA is like a book of history. If sin is turned off for a generation the record can still be there.
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eddif
Jesus was born of a woman.
Nuff said.
Besides, what would it matter one way or the other ?
All that matters is that Jesus died for our past sins, and was raised from the dead three days later.
Is the sin that Jesus would have been born with was it in Mary's genetic genes ?
Why would you think that ?
And whose sins...Mary's ?
You are suggesting that sins are passed down from father to son, when all of Ezek 18, especially verse 20, speaks against that idea.
It is written..."The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him." (Ezek 18:20)
Hi Hopeful 2
You're absolutely right, but on a christian discussion site I think it's common for believers to discuss particulars about what the Scriptures teach us and what they tell us.
I don't know whether or not Jesus had any of Mary's DNA. I'm not God, but I do know that there's a good chance that Jesus human body was created just as Adam's human body was created. Without the aid of previous human DNA. I do believe that there's a good chance that if sin is passed through from generation to generation as the Scriptures infer, then it could possibly pass through some sort of genetic link. I don't know and the Scriptures aren't clear to tell us exactly what Jesus meant when he said that the first Adam passed sin down to all generations. But the second Adam was likely created just like the first, but without falling into sin.
But yes, the pinnacle of Jesus' existence is that he paid the price for our sin and made it possible for all who would believe to have eternal life with him and the Father.
God bless,
Ted
Where is that, exactly ?
It was death that got "passed down".
It is written..."Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:" (Rom 5:12)
The second "Adam" was born of a woman.
Sin is not passed down to the next of kin, so-to-speak.
It is written..."The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him." (Ezek 18:20)
I will comment to you but others as well.
Genetic genes can be turned on and off. Epigenetics is sometimes talking about genetic expression.
I am at this point talking about disease, eye color, metabolic actions, a host of body functions. The things of God are seen by what he created. Romans 1:18-21 We used to talk about recessive genes.
Israel could have a good king, or a bad king in the same family line. Just because Cain committed murder, it does not mean everyone is a murderer in his offspring.
Again. DNA is like a book. This book is not
The Spiritual Book Of Life
DNA is a physical book of life. It is a type and shadow and not eternal.
Jesus healed being born blind. Jesus evidently changed the genetic makeup of stem cells on the spot.
Mary did not have to express sin because of her ancestors. In Mary sin was turned off. In Jesus the history of sin was there, so he could bear our sins in his body on the cross.
However, Jesus was also the Son of God, and he did not sin when tempted.
I guess I will stop here. Paul describes his personal dual nature.
Mississippi redneck
eddif