Ooh, Deborah, you are so wrong. Jesus said nothing will disappear from the law until all is accomplished.
"18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished." (Matthew 5: NASB emphasis mine)
That accomplishment has happened. How do we know? By reverse logic. We know that much more than a jot or a tittle has disappeared from the law in regard to the sacrifice for sin. So, apparently the accomplishment that Jesus must occur before that can happen has happened. Do you want to argue the point?
Huh? I never said anything about a jot or tittle disappearing. Where did you get that from?
I said that Jesus did not destroy the law.
I said that we cannot destroy the law by tearing it apart into segments. The ceremonial laws are just one part of the whole covenant.
Again, Deborah, you are so terribly wrong. Not literally keeping various laws in the law of Moses because of faith in Christ does not destroy those laws. It fulfills them. The very thing he DID say he came to do. Let's use the laws for the sacrifice for sin to illustrate the point.
How does one not keep a law and fulfill a law?
Let's use some law that you or I can actually do? Not something only Jesus could do.
Neither does literally keeping various laws of the Law of Moses destroy any of the Law of Moses.
Certainly if in ones heart they are moved to eat kosher, wear a tallit, celebrate the feasts, or any number of other things, it doesn't damage the Law of Moses in anyway.
Because Christ is the supreme blood and flesh payment for sin required by the law, those laws requiring blood and flesh as payment for sin simply don't have to be literally kept anymore. Christ did not abolish them--he fulfilled them to God's complete and total satisfaction so that the debt of those laws no longer remains on the books for the person who has faith in Christ. So, Christ's sacrifice does not violate those laws, thus destroying and abolishing them. His sacrifice fulfills them so that there is no further literal action required in regard to those laws.
I agree with this. I'll go back right now and look at my post. Maybe I left out a word such as 'doesn't' or 'not'. This is directly copied from my post, this is what I said......
"That would be tearing it apart or violently destroying it.
Which Jesus said He
did not come to do and
He didn't."
Please address this thought that was in my last post.
Quote:
"What I see is that the old and temporary 'way' to fulfill God's eternal law was the Law of Moses at that time.
The new and eternal 'way' to fulfill God's eternal law is to abide in Christ."
But to address your point directly, it's easy to see that faith does distinguish between moral and ceremonial law. Christ fulfilled the ceremonial law so that there is no further literal fulfillment required by us in regard to those. But the debt of law to love others--the moral code--must still be literally fulfilled by the people of God. So, yes, faith does indeed make a necessary distinction between moral and ceremonial law. You don't have to keep a literal Mosaic Sabbath, but you most certainly have to keep the Mosaic command to 'love your neighbor as yourself'.
Do you not see that the law of God to 'love your neighbor as yourself" was in effect from the very beginning of the world. It did not start with the Law of Moses.
You're probably confused about this 'whole law' stuff because many misunderstand that the requirement to keep every jot and tittle of the law is in regard to being justified by the law of Moses. If you are seeking to be justified by keeping the law of Moses, that is when you MUST keep every jot and tittle.
Nope I don't think so. Because I know that David was justified by grace through faith. No one was ever justified by law keeping.
My point and belief has absolutely nothing to do with keeping the Law of Moses.
Jesus is the new covenant.
Why would my faith in Jesus fulfill a marriage contract I was never in with God? God didn't make a marriage contract with me or you at Mt. Sinai. That marriage contract was made between God and the children of Israel.
Remember that Paul even uses this analogy in Romans. The husband that is dead is the old covenant, and wife is then free to marry another. She becomes the bride of Christ and is brought through faith in Him, into the new covenant.
He is the high priest and when the high priest changes there is a change in the law.
YES! The WAY the eternal requirements of God are kept is what changed, not the fact that those eternal requirements of law must be fulfilled! I've been saying this for months. The WAY we uphold the eternal requirements of law found in the law of Moses is what changed, not the eternal requirements of the law of Moses themselves.
Again, I point you to the laws governing sacrifice for sin. Faith does not get rid of those. Those requirements are forever and eternal, froward and backward in all of time and space. The temporary WAY that those eternal requirements got fulfilled is what is no longer in force. Our faith in Christ upholds them. It does that in the new WAY of faith in Christ, not in the old WAY of the written code.
I don't understand what you are saying in what I made blue.
You are correct if the pastor is teaching one is justified by the law. I really don't think anyone here that really believes one can be justified by the law.