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Pre-trib Rapture is not scriptural

God speaks to us in scripture of a 3 1/2 year tribulation period (not a seven year) as being time, times and half time which equals 1260 days = 3 ½ years or 3 ½ Times – Hebrew calendar only had 30 days for each month and this is where you get 1260 days or 3 ½ years.
[Scripture reference]
Revelation 12:14; Daniel 7:25; Daniel 12:7
1260 days – Revelation 11:3; Revelation 12:6
42 months – Revelation 11:2; Revelation 13:5

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
 
turnorburn said:
Fukushima Worse than Chernobyl: “Effects of Radiation Have Become Much More Severe” — “Enormous Decline” in Animal Species

Dr. Tim Mousseau, USC biologist: “The declines have been really dramatic… now we see this really striking drop-off in numbers of birds as well as numbers of species of birds. So both the biodiversity and the abundance are showing dramatic impacts in these areas with higher radiation levels, even as the levels are declining.”University of South Carolina, Apr 15, 2015 (emphasis added): Dwindling bird populations in Fukushima… as several recent papers from University of South Carolina biologist Tim Mousseau and colleagues show, the avian situation there is just getting worse… They recently published a paper in the Journal of Ornithology showing results from the first three years…Many populations were found to have diminished in number as a result of the accident, with several species suffering dramatic declines… What might be most disheartening to the researchers involved, and bird-lovers in general, is how the situation is progressing in Fukushima. Despite the decline in background radiation in the area over these past four years, the deleterious effects of the accident on birds are actually increasing.

CBS News, Apr 16, 2015: Near site of Fukushima disaster, birds still in peril… birds are becoming a rarity around the damaged nuclear site… “There are dramatic reductions in the number of
Qbirds”… Mousseau told CBS News. “In terms of barn swallows in Fukushima, there had been hundreds if not thousands in many of these towns where we were working. Now we are seeing a few dozen of them left. It’s just an enormous decline.”… Around Fukushima, Mousseau predicts the worst may not be over… “So now we see this really striking drop-off in numbers of birds as well as numbers of species of birds. So both the biodiversity and the abundance are showing dramatic impacts in these areas with higher radiation levels, even as the levels are declining.” Mousseau said the reason comes down to the long-term impact of the radiation. “It takes multiple generations for the effects of mutations to be expressed…”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/fukush...re-enormous-decline-in-animal-species/5444263
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QUICK Go Tell THE Plant CPNTAINMENT TEAM WHO Is Working On THE Second Cover Over THE NUKE PLANT To stop.THE PLANT THAT Is Still online.

So how is that workers are still working there despite it still leaking?

Its not like I'm ignoring this.yet you post all about the evils of nuke power,belly ache about climate control and yet
Ignore that problems of coal cng and others on the food supply and wildlife.

http://content.sierraclub.org/coal/burning-toxic-mercury

33 tons a year.yet why dont you mention that?
 
reba said:
So tell me guys ,, if this is the tribulation by your account Jesus should return in about 2.5 years right ?
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Nothing here about "the tribulation" ...

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Just this..

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
 
jasonc said:
QUICK Go Tell THE Plant CPNTAINMENT TEAM WHO Is Working On THE Second Cover Over THE NUKE PLANT To stop.THE PLANT THAT Is Still online.

So how is that workers are still working there despite it still leaking?

Its not like I'm ignoring this.yet you post all about the evils of nuke power,belly ache about climate control and yet
Ignore that problems of coal cng and others on the food supply and wildlife.

http://content.sierraclub.org/coal/burning-toxic-mercury

33 tons a year.yet why dont you mention that?
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Looks like you have that one covered.. I've been watching Fukushima since the event began..

What do you think John saw here? maybe it was coal burning?

Revelation 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;

9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
 
turnorburn said:
Looks like you have that one covered.. I've been watching Fukushima since the event began..

What do you think John saw here? maybe it was coal burning?

Revelation 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;

9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
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Nope.the seas don't burn from radiation Nagasaki and hiromoshoma were well and still are more radioactive then any nuclear meltdown.as any plume spreads the farther it looses it's effects.less radioactive .both those cities are coastal not inland
 
Is this..

Wherever you live or happen to travel to, never complain about the heat and humidity again.

In the city of Bandar Mahshahr (population of about 110,000 as of 2010), the air felt like a searing 165 degrees (74 Celsius) today factoring in the humidity.

[Iran’s heat index is literally off the charts, and this is what it feels like]

Although there are no official records of heat indices, this is second highest level we have ever seen reported.

To achieve today’s astronomical heat index level of 165, Bandar Mahshahr’s actual air temperature registered 115 degrees (46 Celsius) with an astonishing dew point temperature of 90 (32 Celsius).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-heat-index-of-154-degrees-near-world-record/

A prelude to this?

Revelation 16:8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
 
Neither of those qualify as an end time event.the sea near isreal and rivers turn red from the slaughter of men as recorded by josephus
 
jasonc said:
Nope.the seas don't burn from radiation Nagasaki and hiromoshoma were well and still are more radioactive then any nuclear meltdown.as any plume spreads the farther it looses it's effects.less radioactive .both those cities are coastal not inland
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That verse doesn't say anything about water burning he said "as it were a great mountain burning with fire"
 
Rollo Tamasi said:
Okay, so let's see...
Jesus comes back on a white horse, Revelation 19....
And we meet Jesus in the air in the clouds.
And Jesus is in the clouds in Revelation 14.
So, Revelation 14 and 19 is the day of the Lord but 1 Thessalonians 4:17 is not the day of the Lord, even though two sentences later Jesus talks about the day of the Lord.
But of course, they're not related, otherwise you have nothing.

Okay, let's say you're right just for the sake of argument.
No verse stands alone in a debate like this, so what else you got?
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I have the verse that says Jesus didn't ascend to heaven on a horse.
 
for_his_glory said:
I did go back and read your other post. Jesus does not come back twice, but only once.

Before Jesus plants His feet on the Mount of Olives in Rev 19 (cross reference Joel 3:1-17; Zec 14:1-9) both the dead and the living who are Christ's will be changed at that time and then gathered together in the clouds to meet Jesus in the air, 1 Corinthians15:51-58; 1Th 4:16,17. Then we come back down to earth as part of His army as we reign with Jesus as we will be priest of God and of Christ. At that time the beast and false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire, Satan bound and then let loose for awhile and then cast into the lake of fire with the beast and false prophet, Rev chapters 19 and 20.
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You said..."Then we come back down to earth as part of His army"

That's would be the second time Jesus comes back.
1st time to get us...second time with us.
 
Maybe this?

bravo2.jpg


Early in the morning on March 1, 1954, the hydrogen bomb, code named Bravo, was detonated on the surface of the reef in the northwestern corner of Bikini Atoll. The area was illuminated by a huge and expanding flash of blinding light. A raging fireball of intense heat that measured into the millions of degrees shot skyward at a rate of 300 miles an hour

http://www.bikiniatoll.com/history.html
 
turnorburn said:
That verse doesn't say anything about water burning he said "as it were a great mountain burning with fire"
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We dropped two bombs on the island which incernerated people on milliseconds, leveled whole buildings and generated a plume that was all things within ground zero heated and rose into the sky and then the fallout occured.yet 70 plus years and is there any American dead front that,Russian and korea front hat plume.we tested nukes within our borders .I have seen that area.irs called white sands missile test range .the soil is glass. It's part of ft bliss. McGregor missile test range is also where the tested this.we tested on small islands and leveled that island.one would think that a full blown bomb and nuke would be more then enough.a melt down of a nuke reactor is now where near those levels .I didn't go into the emp pulse ,both a bombs make and the 30000 MPH wind blast ftom it.
 
turnorburn said:
Maybe this?

bravo2.jpg


Early in the morning on March 1, 1954, the hydrogen bomb, code named Bravo, was detonated on the surface of the reef in the northwestern corner of Bikini Atoll. The area was illuminated by a huge and expanding flash of blinding light. A raging fireball of intense heat that measured into the millions of degrees shot skyward at a rate of 300 miles an hour

http://www.bikiniatoll.com/history.html
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Akin that isn't what you claim as the final judgment. You claimed the nuke plant reactor failure is this.it's not.
 
2 Thes 2:6 and is interesting. The restrainer is removed..then anti-christ is revealed.

Who is the restrainer? The Christians?
The Holy Spirit?

If it's the Christians..that's pre-trib.
If it's the Holy Spirit...whe the HS is removed....we go with the HS.

2 Thes 2:6 And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed. 7For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.8Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His comin
 
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