It sure does as it adds to the word of God and that's a no no
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Pre-trib Rapture is not scriptural
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according to Rev 22:18,19.
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Matthew 24:21
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Revelation 2:22
Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
Revelation 7:14
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
And just WHO are these?
Revelation 7:
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Revelation 2:22
Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
Revelation 7:14
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
And just WHO are these?
Revelation 7:
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
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Using "the" in our conversation doesn't change a thing.It sure does as it adds to the word of God and that's a no no
We can also read in Rev. 18 that Gods people are called OUT after Babylon the great has fallen. Til then the voice of both the bridegroom and the bride is heard in Babylon the great. vs. 22. Plain as daylight.
Anyone, no matter what religion they are, who rejects that Christ is the Son of God will have no part in the kingdom of God in the end of days as their fate is the lake of fire with Satan, the beast and the false prophet.
Even in conversation one single word can change the meaning of scripture as it adds to it or takes away from it leading that can become a deceptive teaching. JW's are good for this as they even rewrote their bible to make it say what they want it to say and they will receive that of Rev 22:18,19.
One has to understand first what this modern day Babylon is, but per the ToS I can not give you the name she is called by, but is the last one of the ten nations of the red dragon, Rev 12:3, and also the beast That rises up out of the sea and gives power to the beast that rises up out of the earth, Rev 13. This red dragon is depicted as having seven heads, ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. The seven heads and ten horns refer to the original ten kingdoms of which three were subdued by the little horn of Daniel 7:8. The last kingdom which stands greater than all the others is that of a revived Roman Empire that takes control over all the ten nations who then implements a deceiving peace treaty to a world that is in great distress and tries to force Gods people who are still living at this time to take it's mark by forcing them to denounce Christ.
Rev 18:4,5 Gods people are not called out, but told to come out of her. Big difference
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
The word raptos,is the Latin word for caught up.the word bible isn't in the bible.the implication of caught up means a violent and sudden removal.I'm not a futurist,I don't believe in a seven year tribulation. I do know the arguments.the idea of seven years is a more recent invention.viz,by large the church didn't believe it as its taught today
Mark are you addressing anyone in particular, or just making a statement?
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Sorry. Account lacking severely of "insight."
Where is the account for this kingdom, which has encompassed all kingdoms on earth?
Matthew 12:26
And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
It's quite pointless to look at "Rome" and miss the real kingdom and the real culprits. But hey, it's a common scapegoat to look at some other sect or persons. (Rome/Jerusalem/Jews/the anti-Christ person of the day) whoever, anyone, anything else BUT the culprits we can't see with our eyes.
Yes, it does mean caught up and yes there is no seven year tribulation as we know and have given scriptures that state there have always been tribulations and the greatest is that which has never been seen before nor ever will be seen again. Matthew 24:21. Actually all these pretrib and seven year tribulation teachings started with Margaret MacDonald in Port Glasgow, Scotland who first told others of a vision she had in 1830. She admitted the vision seemed evil and dark, but many preachers of that time ran with it and eventually was handed down to us through such men as J.N. Darby, Edward Irving, C.I. Lewis and many others to present day.
Not that I'm a futurist, but it could be said that satan is behind all wars and wins by weakening the world .ie like the Emporor as senator Palpatine
No,they can't be attributed to the lady with the vision. Darby ,scholfield,I do believe eusubus and a small amount of churches believed In a seven year trib at the time prior st augustine.
The culprit is none other than Satan as we all know that. He is the red dragon in Rev 12:3 that rises from the sea and gives power to the beast that rises up out of the earth, Rev 13. It takes all the pieces of mystery Babylon to understand what the beast out of the earth was, is and yet to come. Here is wisdom: Habakkuk 2:1-4; Rev 17.
I've explained this kingdom many times throughout this thread that has always persecuted and even put to death the prophets, the Apostles and even nailed Jesus to the cross. It's up to you to see the truth in whom this last kingdom was, is and even now here on earth and will be destroyed in the end of days.
They aren't attributed to this lady for even she knew these were dark and evil visions and not from God. It was those she told the vision to that twisted it and manipulated it into a pretrib theory that has no scriptural support. If you believe this was taught prior to St Augustine then please share those manuscripts with us.
You can believe in what these men teach and maybe even help them line their pockets like I use to, but Spiritual wisdom and discernment showed me otherwise of what I use to believe.
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- The History of the Pre-Trib Rapture doctrine
www.essentialchristianity.com/pages.asp?pageid=21918
The History of the Pre ... But even with such an admission it still serves us well to see that early in the church history ... These two men did not take the time ...
- A History of Pre-Darby Rapture Advocates - Pre-Trib
www.pre-trib.org/.../view/a-history-of-pre-darby-rapture-advocates
A History of Pre-Darby Rapture Advocates. ... a careful study of church history shows that the pre-trib rapture ... to escaping the time of the tribulation ...
- Grant R. Jeffrey Ministries
www.grantjeffrey.com/article/why_some_reject.htm
by Grant R. Jeffrey. ... throughout history have already ... of the teaching of the pre-tribulationrapture in the early church ...
- The Origin of the Pre-Tribulational Rapture
www.raptureforums.com/Rapture/raptureorigin.cfm
The Origin of the Pre-Tribulational Rapture: The Origin of the Concept of a Pre-Tribulation ...Church Fathers during the first 300 years of church history ...
- The Pretribulation Rapture Has Been Taught Throughout ...
www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer's Corner/Doctrines/rapture_history...
The Pretribulation Rapture Has Been Taught Throughout Christian History. ... Church. THE PRE-TRIBULATION ... of the Church, but even “end-time” heretics ...
- Early Church Teaching On Pre-Tribulation Rapture
mayimhayim.org/Academic Stuff/Pre-Tribulation Rapture.htm
Early Church Teaching On Pre-Tribulation ... period of time, such as the Pre-Tribulation ... teaching of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture in the early church. ...
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You know I love a good analogy jason. That fits. There is no could be in the above. All the warring we see in the world AND in the middle east is directly the cause of Satan ( or his minions ) IN MAN.
Sin is of the devil after all. 1 John 3:8
People just don't know how the Zionist will play a big part in the deceptive peace treaty between Israel and the Arab nations. The false prophet, Islamic Imams, Arab League and the Middle East Quartet that comprises the U.S., Russia, the EU, the United Nations and possibly China that wants in on the peace plans are working on an agreement of who will govern Jerusalem as a peacemaker between the Arab countries and Israel. To make the peace plan between Israel and the Arab countries a reality the Zionists must also agree with this peace treaty. The Christian Zionists and Religious Jewish Judaism is the only thing that holds back the last man of lawlessness (son of perdition) from taking his seat in Jerusalem.
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If you see the validity of "The culprit is none other than Satan as we all know that" then WHY in the world do you waste your time looking at Rome?! Or "Zionists?" smh
Sorry but all these men are false prophets that have always fleeced their flock, as I use to be one, for monetary gain just like all those pretrib teachers today that copy them as they all teach the same thing, but have no scriptural support as they love to take scripture out of context to prove their theories. It's like a Pretrib bandwagon, but will reap their rewards in the end and they are not good rewards.