What I do expect is maturity, love and respect for how each of us believe and I don't think that is to much to ask
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Pre-trib Rapture is not scriptural
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Could you please share the scriptures where it speaks of a pretrb rapture as I have never found any. I already posted those scriptures that say the Church (body of Christ) will be here during the seven trumpet and vial judgments until the end of days, but will post them again.
Act 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Rev 3:5; 19:8 Jesus is showing us to look for the signs of his coming
Rev 5:13; 6:16,17 On earth and under the earth are those who are still here until the end of days
Rev 6:9-11 Note where John says fellow servants and brethren that should be killed as they were and we are in the midst of the seven seals right now heading towards the seven trumpets
Rev 7:13-17 Which came out of great tribulation; fulfillment of the gentiles
Rev 8:13 Three woes are war, earthquakes, and meteors
Rev 13:11-18 Here John is showing us about Papal Rome ruling the world again as a one world government. 666 represents action of the hands and thoughts of the mind
Rev 14:14-20 The harvest of Gods Children
Rev 16:11,15 And they repented not. We can only repent through Gods Spirit and if that Spirit dwells in the hearts of the believers then who would be left for anyone to repent if they wanted to if we were already gone as faith comes by hearing the word of God.
Rev 18:23, 24 We have now come out of great tribulation of Papal Rome’s rule (not Catholics). This is Gods rapture of his bride or as scripture calls it being caught up to meet Jesus in the air
Rev 19:7,8 We have made ourselves ready by enduring great tribulations, even to death; we had to go through before the end of days
Rev 20:4-6 These verses show that we went through much annihilation and endured until Jesus came back in the clouds for us
Rev 20:12-15 The Great White Throne judgment and Jesus judgment for the works we did or did not do for him here on earth
turnorburn
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Some times we can say things a better way ... you knucklehead...
i know that.. now I'm stuck with this..
Proverbs 18:19 A brother offended is harder to be won than a strong city: and their contentions are like the bars of a castle.
Matthew 24 has everything to do with what will take place in Gods timing. Look at the three questions his disciples ask Jesus as the rest of Matthew 24 was His reply as Revelations goes into full detail as the angel Jesus sent to John gave him all things in a vision as they had not happened yet, but will before Jesus comes back for His Bride.
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
If you go back and read Rev 19:7-14 heaven is rejoicing Babylon's (Present day Papal Rome) destruction and now the marriage supper of the Lamb has come. This means we are now being caught or as some call it Raptured even though the word Rapture is not in the Bible, but means caught up to meet Jesus in the clouds and then the air as air means first heaven, 1Thessalonians 4:16,17, then to her, meaning us being the Bride of Christ are given fine linen, clean and white and return with Jesus as His army that also rides white horses (think this is only symbolic horses, but that doesn't truly matter) return with Jesus as He fights the final battle as the rest of the events from then are are finished very quickly then we will be with the Lord forever in the new Jerusalem.
I'm praying the Holy Spirit binds our tongues that we will not savage each other, but have a good discussion on the indifference's as we are not children in the play ground anymore.
How can you separate the two as the day of the Lord also means the great and terrible day of the Lord
Great and terrible day of the Lord:
Joel 2:30-32; Malachi 4:5,6Matthew 24:29-31; Rev 6:12; Rev 8:12
Day of the Lord:
Isaiah 13:6; Jeremiah 46:10; Joel 1:15; Amos 5:18; Matthew 24:13-22; 1Thessalonians 5:1-5; 2Peter 3:10; Rev 6:17
again I ask, why would Jesus come for us to only bring us back to this present evil earth for another 1000 years to be persecuted. Gods timing is not our timing as in days, months and years.
2Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Malachi
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I believe you have a basic misunderstanding of the Second Coming of Christ, the Millennium, and the eternal home of the saints. While Christ does bring back His saints with Him at His Second Coming, they do not remain on the earth. The saints will be involved with the judgement of "the world" and also of "angels". We have very little detail about this, but we know it will happen.
But during the Millennium, it is Christ Himself who rules the earth, and during that time there is perfect peace and righteousness on this earth. Also the saints reign with Him. So that "present evil world" will not be there, and Satan and his evil spirits will be bound in the bottomless pit. The important thing to note is that the eternal home of the saints in the New Jerusalem, not the earth by any means. So they may travel back and forth, for all we know.
th1b.taylor
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http://www.raptureforums.com/Rapture/sixteenproofs.cfm
The link demonstrates the 16 reasons to believe as I do in the Pretrib Rapture of the Saints.
The link demonstrates the 16 reasons to believe as I do in the Pretrib Rapture of the Saints.
th1b.taylor
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I don't see the relevance of your scripture, nobody has put forth that such is not the case and some views of the Day of the LORD require that piece of info to stand.
th1b.taylor
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Not changing my position but his reference on this matter is addressing the belief of some of us that believe we will rule a nation, a state, a county, a city or even a neighborhood under the hand of the LORD.
so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:28
Yes, He will appear a second time... not a third.
JLB
Endtime_Survivors
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Hi for_his_glory. Nice topic. I'm not sure I agree with all your conclusions but I definitely agree that Christians will be faced with the great tribulation. My understanding is that Jesus will return for his followers at the 7th trump (i.e. the last trumpet) and will attend the marriage supper of the lamb in the "new Jerusalem come down out of heaven" while the 7 vials of God's wrath are poured out on a disobedient world down below, culminating in the 7th vial (the battle of armageddon) in which Jesus (on a white horse) comes down to the battle field with the heavenly host (including those who were previously raptured) to defeat the armies of the earth which gathered together to fight against God.
Here's eight reasons why the day of the Lord and the rapture are the same.
http://z3news.com/w/proof-the-rapture-happens-on-the-day-of-the-lord/
th1b.taylor
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You have been studying, good post.
Could you please give scripture for all of this so I can read it.
In order to understand what scripture is saying we need to take out chapter and verse at various times for understanding as scripture was taken from written letters to the Church and it was man that added the books with chapters and verses. The scriptures are mainly focused on Israel as being Gods people, but also for all of Gods people Jew and Gentile. We are all part of Israel not as a nation, but Gods children and especially in Revelations we need to keep this in mind.
Rev 20 doesn't say there will be peace on earth during the 1000 years and that Christ will rule from the city of Jerusalem for a 1000 years. We are the army that comes with Jesus as He stands on the mount of Olives, Rev 19:7-14 when Satan is loosed from the bottomless pit as he goes out to deceive the nations in the four quarters of the earth which is called Gog and Magog to gather them together to surround the camp of the saints and the city of Jerusalem to battle the number of whom is as the sand of the sea meaning we the saints of God who are at that time gathered with Jesus in the air, 1Thessalonians 4:16, 17; 1 Corinthians 15:51-58, and return with Him as He plants His feet on the mount of Olives to fight the final battle. Satan then will be defeated and cast into the lake of fire at that time with the beast and the false prophet.
Rev 20 also speaks of the two resurrections as the first being we the saints of God that are resurrected unto eternal life with Him and the second resurrection being those who have died and will join those who are alive that have rejected Jesus and will be cast into the lake of fire with Satan, the beast and the false prophet forever.
Do you think all of these events in Rev 20 will take 1000 years to transpire! I don't think so as 1000 years is only used here as a symbolic or generic number just as being the same as a 1000 generations, Deu 7:9; 1Chron 16:15; Psalms 105:8