Read them carefully.... what does He say to Mary? Read the whole passage.
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Pre-trib Rapture is not scriptural
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Please, you're causing a ruckus while we have church.
Cygnus
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Acts is pretty clear Jesus didn't ascend into heaven on a horse. Perhaps your bible mentions a horse.
Don't let your imagination run away with you.
Those 4 verses say nothing about his return.
Don't read into something that is not there.
Joh 20:15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
Joh 20:16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Joh 20:18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
Joh 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Joh 20:20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
Joh 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
Joh 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Joh 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Joh 20:24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
Joh 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
Joh 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Joh 20:16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Joh 20:18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
Joh 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Joh 20:20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
Joh 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
Joh 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Joh 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Joh 20:24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
Joh 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
Joh 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
My Bible does not contradict.
If the verses you are using are talking about a pre-trib rapture, them where does Revelation 14:17 fit in?
Revelation 21:22-23;
"I did not see a Temple in the city because the Lord God almighty and the Lamb are its Temple. The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the Glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is it's lamp".
Maybe the Lamb of God isn't Jesus, maybe there's a 4th head to the Godhead.
You are right as this is not a topic about salvation, but that of a study on the Rapture as in 1Thessalonians 4:13-17; 1Corinthians 15:42-58 and Revelations as they all speak of this. I do not study theories as that is all they are is theories without proof, but only speculations of a logic mind. What I bring to the plate is the pure word of God as what it says and not what I want it to say. Each has their own Bible and each can search those scriptures given like we are suppose to and by asking the Holy Spirit teach them then they can decide on what they want to believe.
I would think if I was some famous worldly Pastor teaching these things it would become very popular just as all the pretrib teachings that have come down the line and have made millions to line the pockets of those who wrote the books. I'm just a simple country girl sitting in my living room studying the word on my own without the teachings of others and this is how I learn. Me, my Bible and the Holy Spirit is all I need as I've been deceived way to many times by other teachings that I no longer want to be caught up in, but want all truth that the Lord is willing to give me as it will be me alone that stands before Jesus to give an account of what I have taught others and that is between me and Jesus if I have taught wrongly.
I never ask anyone to believe what I teach, but to take the scriptures and ask the Holy Spirit teach them. I too once believed in a pretrib rapture, but certain things of how it was taught just didn't sit well in my spirit as I compared their given scriptures and found nothing on pretrib, but only that of the Church being here throughout all the seven trumpet and vial judgments as we are sealed by the Holy Spirit continuing in preaching the Gospels until all the world has heard it as faith comes by hearing and if there is no one here to preach then how would others be saved when Christ returns. Jesus said that those who endure until the end will be saved meaning they have a place in the New Jerusalem that will be ushered down at the end of days when this present heaven and earth have passed away and a new heaven and earth rises up out of the ashes.
Malachi
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Rev 14:17 fits in with the Parable of the Wheat and Tares. Here the sickle is applied to the tares, which are destined for burning. Rev 14 is all about God's wrath against the unbelieving and the ungodly. Hence the river of blood which flows out at Armageddon.
And when does that happen?
Not necessarily speaking of the last poster.
see Rollo...........I told you so!!!
maybe some toe jam but no roaches
please provide the scriptures for you statement please. Thank you
If you take notice in Rev 14:14-20 there are two angels as the first one reaps the harvest,(cross reference Matthew 13:30, 39) which are we the saints of God and the second angle thrust in his sickle and reaps the tares as now the two have been separated. Looks like we are still here!
Malachi
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That is simply an assumption -- reading into the text what is not there. You will not find the word *saint* in this chapter, but you will find the word *earth*. The *harvest of the earth* is not *the harvest of the saints*. The *vine of the earth* is not Christ the Vine. Please note how many time *earth* appears in this small passage. This is the harvest of the *tares* since the *wheat* is already safely in the barn.
Malachi
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The entire Tribulation period (which includes the Great Tribulation) is a time when the unbelieving and the ungodly are *harvested* (Rev 6-18) through the judgements which come upon the earth. The battle of Armageddon (Rev 14:18-20) is the culmination of that harvest, during which the wrath of God is poured out upon the earth. Hence *earth* is mentioned again and again. This is not a period reserved for the saints.