Three Persons - Holy Trinity

[Knotical]

Thanks for quoting the very verse I referenced, now answer the question.

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The kingdom of God is within.
Man images the almighty by utilizing the spirit of Truth in his thinking.

This is opposed to imaging lies and creating fantasy worlds.

Seems simple enough that this would be sufficient.

This is a complete contradiction to what the bible actually teaches. How are we made in His image, and likeness, if He is not an actual being?

 

[cupid dave]

The kingdom of God is within.
Man images the almighty by utilizing the spirit of Truth in his thinking.

This is opposed to imaging lies and creating fantasy worlds.

Seems simple enough that this would be sufficient.



This is a complete contradiction to what the bible actually teaches. How are we made in His image, and likeness, if He is not an actual being?

We are spirit and body.
The Holy Spirit can enter into us and image the Truth in our mind which is God, within us.

God is spirit, mind fills with spirit.
Simple.

 

[Knotical]

The kingdom of God is within.
Man images the almighty by utilizing the spirit of Truth in his thinking.

This is opposed to imaging lies and creating fantasy worlds.

Seems simple enough that this would be sufficient.



This is a complete contradiction to what the bible actually teaches. How are we made in His image, and likeness, if He is not an actual being?

We are spirit and body.
The Holy Spirit can enter into us and image the Truth in our mind which is God, within us.

God is spirit, mind fills with spirit.
Simple.

That is only part of what God is. God has an image, of which we are made. That is spiritual and physical. He is a being, not just an "idea" or "impression," as you seem to assume.

 

[Free]

If you can show me where I said he was a man in the sky, you have a point.
But you don't because that is clearly not what I said.

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Free

...."it is abundantly clear that God the Father is a personal being."

God is spirit, not a person:


per·son /ˈpərsən/

Noun

1. A human being regarded as an individual.
2. Used in legal or formal contexts to refer to an unspecified individual.

You will notice that I said "personal," as in "relational," and you gave a definition of "person."

Personal, as given by http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/personal:

1 : of, relating to, or affecting a particular person : private, individual <personal ambition> <personal financial gain>

2 a : done in person without the intervention of another; also : proceeding from a single person
b : carried on between individuals directly <a personal interview>

3 : relating to the person or body

4 : relating to an individual or an individual's character, conduct, motives, or private affairs often in an offensive manner <a personal insult>

5 a : being rational and self-conscious <personal, responsive government is still possible — John Fischer>
b : having the qualities of a person rather than a thing or abstraction <a personal devil>

And even when the term "person" is used by Christians when speaking of the nature of God, it is merely an English term that is analogous and best fits what we know about Him, namely, that He exhibits "personhood" or "personality"--those qualities which are distinct to rational beings with a mind and will, among other things. No Christian actually means that God is literally a person.

Again, this is basic, core Christianity and I can't help but wonder why you don't understand this.

 

[Deborah13]

And even when the term "person" is used by Christians when speaking of the nature of God, it is merely an English term that is analogous and best fits what we know about Him, namely, that He exhibits "personhood" or "personality"--those qualities which are distinct to rational beings with a mind and will, among other things. No Christian actually means that God is literally a person.

Yes, this is my understanding of God.
However, I think He can show Himself to man as He did Moses. At least I think He did, I would have to find the scripture. He told Moses he could not look on His face but He let Moses see His back. I try to find the scripture for that.
I wondered at the time if Moses had actually seen Jesus, rather than the Father. But that would still be God.

 

[Grappler]

Yes.

Do you believe that he is a spirit? Do you believe that he exists everywhere, or at least everywhere he wants to?

Jesus said "God is a spirit and we must worship him in spirit and in truth." Does God exist everywhere?? I am not pantheistic so no i don't believe God is literally everywhere. He does know all though so in a sense he is everywhere.

That God is omnipresent is a foundational truth of Christianity and is not at all to be equated with pantheism.

So, since God the Father is everywhere and can reveal himself in differing ways at the same time, there really is no difference in saying that the Holy Spirit may also exist within many people at the same time. And the Holy Spirit can be shown to exhibit many of those same qualities as the Father which give us reason to ascribe "personhood." But there is a thread on that already, so I won't get into it here. Hence the best explanation of all that Scripture reveals about the nature of God is that of the doctrine of the Trinity.

Whoa wait a minute before you go on with your conclusions as if they are fact. God the Father is in the 3rd heaven along with the God the Son. If the Father is in heaven how can he be everywhere? And if the Holy Spirit is an individual person as well how can be divided into millions of different persons?

 

[Knotical]

Yes, this is my understanding of God.
However, I think He can show Himself to man as He did Moses. At least I think He did, I would have to find the scripture. He told Moses he could not look on His face but He let Moses see His back. I try to find the scripture for that.
I wondered at the time if Moses had actually seen Jesus, rather than the Father. But that would still be God.

Genesis 17 is where you are thinking.

 

[Deborah13]

Yes, this is my understanding of God.
However, I think He can show Himself to man as He did Moses. At least I think He did, I would have to find the scripture. He told Moses he could not look on His face but He let Moses see His back. I try to find the scripture for that.
I wondered at the time if Moses had actually seen Jesus, rather than the Father. But that would still be God.

Genesis 17 is where you are thinking.

No but I did find it.
Exodus 33
20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
21 And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

 

[Knotical]

No but I did find it.
Exodus 33
20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
21 And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

Ah, right. I was thinking about Abraham. He did visit Abraham in human form, along with, arguably, Jesus and an angel, to make His covenant known in regard to making Abraham a great nation.

 

[Deborah13]

I was thinking about Abraham

And I had forgotten that He appeared to Abraham maybe because it didn't mention body parts. lol

 

[Grappler]

Jesus said "God is a spirit and we must worship him in (holy) spirit and in truth." Does God exist everywhere?? I am not pantheistic so no i don't believe God is literally everywhere. He does know all though so in a sense he is everywhere.

But6 you read this and fail to see the Trinity inherent in the language where "god", "holy spirit" (in our mind), and "Truth" (as an Ideal )all come together to make sense.

read what?

 

[Knotical]

And I had forgotten that He appeared to Abraham maybe because it didn't mention body parts. lol

What is on your mind? :shocked

 

[Guest]

There will be no chaos in my threads. Order in the court! Sit down people!

Your honor, I would like to call God the Father and the Holy Spirit to the stand. :silly

 

[Deborah13]

And I had forgotten that He appeared to Abraham maybe because it didn't mention body parts. lol

What is on your mind? :shocked

As far as your post, nothing.

Are you saying that He did show Abraham body parts and I missed it?

However, I do have something else on my mind that supports our view of God and the image of man but I have shared it before in a couple threads so I won't.
Or maybe I will for [MENTION=89845]cupid dave[/MENTION] if he were interested in my view.

 

[Deborah13]

Father and the Holy Spirit to the stand.

And the Son may stand as well if He would like. Might as well have all of God testify.

 

[Knotical]

Are you saying that He did show Abraham body parts and I missed it?

Well, scripture doesn't state it explicitly, but since He did appear in human form, He must have had at least a few body parts.

 

[cupid dave]

And I had forgotten that He appeared to Abraham maybe because it didn't mention body parts. lol

What is on your mind? :shocked

As far as your post, nothing.

Are you saying that He did show Abraham body parts and I missed it?

However, I do have something else on my mind that supports our view of God and the image of man but I have shared it before in a couple threads so I won't.
Or maybe I will for [MENTION=89845]cupid dave[/MENTION] if he were interested in my view.

I do have something else on my mind that supports our view of God and the image of man but I have shared it before in a couple threads so I won't.
Or maybe I will for @cupid dave if he were interested in my view.

Please do take the time to tell each person separately and individually what you think and support as the better point of view concerning scripture.

I too once assumed that my posts were read by the people posting, but I discovered that for the most part, a good point made to a specific person is not read by the forum in general.

Every time you encounter a post that repeats what you consider to be weak and poor reading comprehension of the Bible, respond again to that other person with the same comments.

I am interested in what you ought post here for us to consider.
Please do.

 

[cupid dave]

You will notice that I said "personal," as in "relational," and you gave a definition of "person."

There is no such a concept that I can find which gives a meaning to this nonsense phrase "personal being."

Not only is it redundant to say that a person is a being, which is the definition of the word itself, but "personal" is an adjective which modifies the noun "being" in the phrase you invent to explain away the difference between body of Jesus and the spirit of Christ which resided inside his mind.



per·son·al
/ˈpərsənəl/

Adjective
Of, affecting, or belonging to a particular person rather than to anyone else.



Hence the meaning of "personal being" would amount to saying that the Holy Spirit was "a being belonging to a particular person rather than to anyone else."
This is basically agreeing with the idea that the mind was this being belonging to the body of Jesus, but not the body itself, and hence the mind.

I do not understand how you can not see this since the basis of Christianity is that God is spirit, and it is not physical but therefore mental.

 

[cupid dave]

That is spiritual and physical. He is a being, not just an "idea" or "impression," as you seem to assume.

Come on,...

Does Love have a body?
Is love a physical concrete material weighty object that people pass back and forth?


1 John 4:8
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Feeling and sensations and urges are also spiritual things inside us.
They are the very things we are to temper with a feeling of Love for others.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

 

[cupid dave]

Whoa wait a minute before you go on with your conclusions as if they are fact. God the Father is in the 3rd heaven along with the God the Son. If the Father is in heaven how can he be everywhere? And if the Holy Spirit is an individual person as well how can be divided into millions of different persons?

It makes sense when one believe God is the Truth, which is the way man can image him inside his mind, and hence live a sane life in what then would be Reality.
That heaven refers to the realm of the mind, that the kingdom of God is within, then mind is this place where we separate ourselves from the tangible material world.

God is everywhere, when imaged inside our head, i.e.; as the Reality external to us.
The Holy Spirit we entertain, mentally, is the Truth which mediates between Reality that is external to us and our vision of it.



TRINITY:
Our Lord is (1) Truth, in whose (2) Spirit of mindwe must commit our lives, in order to face the (3) Father-of-Creatioh, i.e.; TheAlmighty Force behind the evermore unfolding Reality, within which we all exist.