By saying everybody, does that include Adam?
Probably, but as I said, we can only speculate. Speculations are weak, I try to avoid them. Romans 5 says that his trespass is not like the trespass of those who came after him, because his was conscious disobedience, rejection of God whereas the trespasses that followed were sown into them by the world, thus they were fashioned to believe the sin they were doing in fact was doing good. The effect was the same though, in that it cut them off from God and made them slaves to sin (spiritual death).
James 1:14-15, doesn’t address how the one man’s sin and death
spread to all men.
It shows how an individual person is drawn away by their own desires to sin.
Why do you see those as being two different things?
How does this include babies or children?
Can you give an example? I don't assume that it does include babies and chidren, unless they are in fact doing sin. Many things that parents punish children for in fact aren't sin. For example, a baby cries when he is hungry, but that isn't sin, it is just a cry of distress.
How does Adam’s sin and death, spread to all men.
I answered that already. Please explain why my answer was not full enough.
Romans 5:12 -19, deals with Adam’s disobedience and sin, and how this “one disobedience” spread to all men.
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world,
and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—
Again, this is not talking about how each person sins, it’s referring specifically to Adam’s one sin, spreading to all men.
But it is how that sin spreads that is the matter of discussion. The letter kills but the spirit gives life. They had lost the spirit of life even though they were still passing on words - through those words, the ways of sin are spread (
1 Corinthians 15:33,
Ephesians 2:1-3).
Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
That's fine by me.
The sin that entered Adam, spread to all men through his DNA, in which his offspring were made sinners through his disobedience.
You have constructed that theory, and the bible doesn't support it. It forces you to speak blasphemy against the innocent ones.
For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
- by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners
Not by what they did, but by what Adam did.
Twice now, I tell you that you are committing fallacy. What Adam did was introduce sin to the world, so that it spread upon all and brought death to all. But it is wrong to say that the death comes on account of his sin, when in fact it comes on account of their individual sin, as a result of his having introduced sin in the first place.
No need to speculate, we have the truth of the scripture.
Therefore, just as
through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—
Romans 5:12
it says right here, one man, not woman.
Woman doesn’t beget.
Actually, it is because his sin was more severe. He was not deceived as Eve was, but he actually chose to follow Eve even though he saw that she had become a sinner. He chose to be with her in flesh and in so doing, abandoned the spirit of God.
The world may indeed fashion us, if we become involved in it
What!?? There is no choice in the matter. A baby is 100% dependent on the world, and the world takes 100% liberty to fashion it into its own likeness. Have you ever seen a child that has remained 100% uncorrupted? The very fact that he doesn't steal other people's things is proof that the world has fashioned him in its image. Nobody is born with any sense of ownership - that is man's social construct. Many such things they do, that we need to overcome in order to be renewed in the mind (
Luke 6: 27-38).
, however, this doesn’t explain how Adam’s disobedience sin and death caused many to be sinners, in which his sin and death spread to all men.
I will not quarrel. I know that you are resisting the truth and it is enough that I have said it already.
Again, please read what the scripture so plainly says —
- by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one
For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)
Romans 5:17
The scripture says through Adam’s disobedience many were made sinners.
For as by
one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
Let me know if you have any questions in order to understand how I can accept those scriptures without the doctrine that you know I am opposed to.
Man became sinners before they themselves ever sinned, through Adam’s disobedience and sin, and the death resulting from his sin, spread to all men.
JLB
That does not make sense. A person cannot become a sinner unless they indeed do sin.
