Not_Now.Soon
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How about by saying God is the source of all creation.
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Who made God?
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My answer to this question, 'Who made God?' proposes 2 approaches:
1. It commits a category mistake. Listen to Sean McDowell's explanation at:
Examples include:
Or, where is the bachelor’s wife? That’s a category mistake because by definition, a bachelor is a bachelor because he doesn’t have a wife.
2. That leads to a second way to answer this question of who made God:
1. It commits a category mistake. Listen to Sean McDowell's explanation at:
Examples include:
- How much does a musical note weigh? Musical notes make a sound while weights measure mass. They are 2 different categories and we must not confuse them. If I said a musical note weighs 10 grams, you’d have every reason to consult a psychiatrist. Musical notes and weights are 2 different categories of things and we must not confuse the two.
- McDowell gave another example of a category fallacy: What does the colour pink taste like? Again it’s a category mistake. Colours don’t have taste.
- Similarly, to ask, ‘Who made God?’ is a category mistake. It only makes sense to ask who made something of things that can be made such as a chair or a pair of shoes.
- ‘To say that "the rock is alive" assigns the category of life to that which is not alive’.
- Another example would be to say that an idea is the color blue. It mistakenly applies the category of color to a concept in the mind.
Or, where is the bachelor’s wife? That’s a category mistake because by definition, a bachelor is a bachelor because he doesn’t have a wife.
2. That leads to a second way to answer this question of who made God:
- God, by definition, cannot be made. If he were created he wouldn’t be God. It’s like asking, ‘Who made the uncreatable, eternal maker of the universe?'
- Only things that have a beginning, whether that be the manufacture of a motor vehicle, the conception of a baby, the making of a Laptop computer or the start of the universe, need a designer. Only these kinds of items and people need a creator.
Hospes
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What would be wrong with the answer "No one made God: God is self-existant." ?
see we do need to answer atheists
Have u used this explanation on any atheists or your students?
If so did any of them accept it or understand it?
Im fairly certain that the hardened atheist will never budge
I can hear the hardened atheist rejecting those analogies
I can hear him saying "just cos the question is fallacious it doesn't dismiss it"
Or "where then did God come from?"
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Hospes,
I agree that God is self-existent. That's a sound biblical answer, 'God said to Moses, "I am that I am." And he said, "You must say this to the Israelites, 'I am has sent me to you"' (Ex 3:14 NET).
However, I'm discussing the origin of God with secular Aussies who don't give a hoot about the Scripture but still ask: 'Who made God'.
That's why I use 2 options for explanation:
- Mistaken categories to ask who made God, and
- Only the created needs a creator. God is not a created Being.
NNS,
Which God? Allah? The God of Hinduism? or the God of Oneness Pentecostals?
Oz
humble soul,
I always attempt to do so, until the person demonstrates heart-hardedness, so I leave him/her with God.
Oz
What is fallacious (erroneous) about the question: Who made God?
Im just imagining what a ridged atheist would say.
Cos isn't the video and yourself saying that the question of "who made God?" is a category fallacy? If not then I must of got it mixed up
I read somewhere that even if God wrote a message in the night sky using the stars, the atheist still wouldn't admit that God exists. Granted there are atheists that are open enough to change, I did. But the most i meet won't accept anything
So I was just interested to know their reactions when u have used this argument
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Corn Pop
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I do find it amazing how thousands of years ago the bible scriptures said we are made from the dust of the earth, yet only in modern science now is it confirmed as a scientific fact we are made from the natural elements of the earth and only the elements found on this earth. We have the same elements that are in the earth.
Scientific evidence does not lead that we may have come from aliens or another galaxy. We are the elements of the dust of this planet and this is where we originated. It's just a fact.
Anyone can look up all the elements humans are made from and the elements of the soil.
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If we can have a self-made man , why cant we have a self-made God?
No it is not an explanation, but if one has someone who reluctantly has admitted to there being immaterial things the kalam challenges them as to how the universe began and by implication hat God is pre-existing. That prepares them for the biblical claim that God has always existed.
"If" the Father has a beginning it could not be by any other being.
"You are my witnesses," declares the LORD, "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me.
Not_Now.Soon
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My journey as a Christian started first with acknowledging that God is real. Then I descided to look for what is from God, meaning which religion(s) are from Him. The logic is that if God is real and He interacts with us, (answers prayer and has a few other interactions with us), then it would be likely that He also have allowed a written record to be from Him do multiple generations could have a foundation of what He wants to say to us.
Because of this my answer to which God eoukd be for them to search for Him on their own, like I did, and with the encouragement that if I could find God, then so can they.
I don't have a better response then this right now, but I have told a few atheists this that replied that they have searched for God and never found Him. Some said they searched for years. Unfortunately I don't have a better answer then to encourage people to search on their own. If they will hear it
I would tell them that my findings are that the bible is from God, and therefore the source of creation is the Christian and Jewish God that is testified in the bible.
Some are so hard-headed that they are not open to this reasoning. Others (although few in number) are prepared to consider such a view.
Does honesty work with them?
You would be surprised what the Holy Spirit can do with the truth.
JLB
Thats right. We need to remember that not all atheists are the same. Some are still open and in transition. Just like they shouldn't tar all Christians with the same brush.