All who are drawn … John 6:44 tells us that is “all who come to the Son are drawn by the Father”. John 10:29 tells us that all who follow the Son do so because they were given to the Son by the Father (“His sheep”) and John 10:26 explains the reason people do not believe is because they are “not His sheep” (not given to Him by the Father according to John 10:29). Exactly “WHO” is further clarified for us in Revelation 7:9-10 as “a vast multitude from every nation, tribe, people, and language, which no one could number … [who] … cried out in a loud voice: Salvation belongs to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb!“
All who come to the Son are drawn by the Father.
In this case DRAWN means TO ATTRACT.
It does have different meanings in Greek....We could get into this if you like.
As I've shown a few times now, the Father draws all to Himself,
beginning as far back as Romans 1:19-20, before there was any bible written.
Of course this cannot be accepted by the reformed faith.
Due to :
Total Depravity - which is nowhere in scripture....
Depravity is in scritpure, but by total you mean that man is incapable of turning or seeking God and this is not correct since I've posted at least 10 verses showing that man MUST SEEK GOD.
As to not being Jesus' sheep....I agree.
Those that are not His sheep do NOT hear His voice.
Of course, the question is HOW DOES ONE BECOME A SHEEP?
The NT teaches that it is by choice.
John Calvin taught that God chooses who will be saved and who will be passed over.
I prefer to trust the NT.
The Institutes 3/21/5
John 3:16
16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
The very next verse tells us that God did NOT send Jesus into the world to judge the world, but to save it.
And yet Calvin taught that God judges, and even unjustly.
John 3:17
17“For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
So we see that those in THE WORLD that choose to believe in the Son, will be SAVED BY HIM, and will not be chosen, arbitrarily, by God Father.
We are admonished to choose life in
Deuteronomy 31:15-19
15“See, I have set before you today life and prosperity, and death and adversity;
16in that I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in His ways and to keep His commandments and His statutes and His judgments, that you may live and multiply, and that the LORD your God may bless you in the land where you are entering to possess it.
17“But if your heart turns away and you will not obey, but are drawn away and worship other gods and serve them, 18I declare to you today that you shall surely perish. You will not prolong your days in the land where you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess it.
19“I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants,
What is gleaned from the above?:
1. God has set before the Israelites life or death.
The reformed teaches that God CHOOSES to set forth EITHER death or life.
So verse 15 makes no sense in reformed theology.
2. God command Israel to love God.
Why command something that only God can decree?
Verse 16 makes no sense in reformed theology.
3. IF is a conditional word. The choice is left up to the Israelites.
Verse 17a makes no sense in reformed theology.
4. Here we see the word DRAWN away.
Did the other gods DRAW, accomplished, like a fisherman's net, the Israelites? No.
The word DRAW has different meanings in the OT and the NT.
5. We are asked to CHOOSE life.
To choose means to have free will to make the choice.
God would not tell man to choose if He knows it is up to HIM to decree all that comes to pass.
Verse 19 makes no sense in reformed theology.
Much of the OT and NT cannot be reconciled to reformed theology.
God draws … the Father draws, through the Holy Spirit to the Son.
John 6:44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him …”
John 3:8 “So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
John 10:27 “My sheep hear my voice, I know them, and they follow me.”
Covered above.
Yes.
Genesis 2:16-17 [CSB] And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree of the garden, but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for on the day you eat from it, you will certainly die."
Your YES answer is to the question as to whether God would ask us to do something we cannot do.
1. According to reformed theology, God decreed that Adam make his offspring fall (us).
2. Why would God give Adam ANY command if He knew it was up to HIM (God) to decree that Adam fall?
3. Are we serving a sadistic God that commands us to do something that we CANNOT DO?
Adam COULD have CHOSEN to not eat of the fruit.
No.
Romans 9:14-16 [CSB] What should we say then? Is there injustice with God? Absolutely not! For he tells Moses, I will show mercy to whom I will show mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then, it does not depend on human will or effort but on God who shows mercy.”
Romans 9 is speaking about the nation of Israel, Jacob.
We can discuss this if you wish. But on a different and specific thread.
The mercy God is showing is for the JEW and the GENTILE...
God will show mercy to whomever He pleases, and it pleaseth Him to include the Gentiles
in the promisse....as the Covenant made with Abraham and Davis proves.
Just (definition): [Merriam-Webster] “being what is merited : DESERVED”
Romans 3:9-10 [CSB] What then? Are we any better off? Not at all! For we have already charged that both Jews and Gentiles are all under sin, as it is written: There is no one righteous, not even one.
“Just” is the damnation of the guilty (everyone). Anything else is MERCY, which is OWED to no one.
Incorrect.
Justice means TO GIVE TO EACH ONE WHAT HE DESERVES.
If we do not give to each person what they deserve, IT IS NOT JUSTICE.
We are all under sin.
So justice must b e shown in a different way.
God was SO MERCIFUL as to give His only Son that whosoever believeth in Him would not perish.
