A discussion on TOTAL DEPRAVITY

[electedbyHim]

I don't understand what you're asking.
We are saved by faith.
Plus, I don't know what you mean by God's Law. I hope you mean the 10 commandments.
Why the OT?
We're required to follow God's commandments today.
Free will is what allows us to obey or not obey a command.
Moral free will is found throughout the bible,,,
and this is all free will means biblically speaking...
the ability to make a choice between two options with no outside coercion.
The outside coercion, in reformed theology, is God.
(since it is God that decrees/ordains and predestines everything).


Draws has different meanings depending on how it's used.
Unfortunately, we only have the one word DRAW...but it does not mean the same in every verse.
The father drawing to the son....
means
ATTRACT.

John 6:44

G1670
ἕλκω
helkō; a prim. vb.; to drag: - drag (1), dragged (2), draw (1), draws (1), drew (2), haul (1).

 

[GodsGrace]

G1670
ἕλκω
helkō; a prim. vb.; to drag: - drag (1), dragged (2), draw (1), draws (1), drew (2), haul (1).

Sure.
Strong's.
Ask someone who speaks Greek and reads the NT in Greek.
I'm not up to debating this.
You can accept it or leave it.

Give me all the scriptures that have the word DRAW in them and I'll tell you if it means DRAW or ATTRACT.
That I'm willing to do.
Right now, if you're around.

 

[atpollard]

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[electedbyHim]

Sure.
Strong's.
Ask someone who speaks Greek and reads the NT in Greek.
I'm not up to debating this.
You can accept it or leave it.

Give me all the scriptures that have the word DRAW in them and I'll tell you if it means DRAW or ATTRACT.
That I'm willing to do.
Right now, if you're around.

I have many source who speak and read the Koine greek

Been down this path before, I have way more then Strongs for word study. It is not worth the time or energy, and will lead to no where.

Give me all the scriptures that have the word DRAW in them and I'll tell you if it means DRAW or ATTRACT.

Why would I do that when I have more reliable sources. Men called by the Lord.

 

[GodsGrace]

I have many source who speak and read the Koine greek

Been down this path before, I have way more then Strongs for word study. It is not worth the time or energy, and will lead to no where.


Why would I do that when I have more reliable sources. Men called by the Lord.

Happy with this.
But it DOES tell me that you, yourself, do not know the difference.
Every preacher/teacher is called by the Lord.
Funny how they all teach something different.

 

[Fastfredy0]

ignore... posted in wrong location

 

[electedbyHim]

Happy with this.
But it DOES tell me that you, yourself, do not know the difference.
Every preacher/teacher is called by the Lord.
Funny how they all teach something different.

You appeal to your own authority like gospel.

I watch how you treat others who do not agree with your deranged theology. I am not on that page.

Am I going to get a detention now?

 

[GodsGrace]

You appeal to your own authority like gospel.

I watch how you treat others who do not agree with your deranged theology. I am not on that page.

Am I going to get a detention now?

How do I treat others that do not agree with me?
Show me a post that you're speaking of.

Now, calling someone that does not agree with you as having deranged theology is rather interesting since you're the one who is following a faith system that does not agree with any other faith system in the Christian world.

It came about 1,500 years after Jesus and has NEVER been taught before.

If you'd like to have a civil conversation, I'm willing.
If you're just trying to get yourself removed from this thread, then continue calling persons names and eventually you will be .

 

[electedbyHim]

How do I treat others that do not agree with me?
Show me a post that you're speaking of.

Now, calling someone that does not agree with you as having deranged theology is rather interesting since you're the one who is following a faith system that does not agree with any other faith system in the Christian world.

It came about 1,500 years after Jesus and has NEVER been taught before.

If you'd like to have a civil conversation, I'm willing.
If you're just trying to get yourself removed from this thread, then continue calling persons names and eventually you will be .

How can I take you seriously?

You believe Mary was sinless, that is deranged to me.

The Doctrines of Grace are taught from the beginning pages of the Bible until the end, it is there, you just do not see it for some reason.

I called no one names.

If I wanted to remove myself from a thread, I would not even post.

The only authority you people have over me is what the Lord has given you.

 

[GodsGrace]

How can I take you seriously?

You believe Mary was sinless, that is deranged to me.

The Doctrines of Grace are taught from the beginning pages of the Bible until the end, it is there, you just do not see it for some reason.

I called no one names.

If I wanted to remove myself from a thread, I would not even post.

The only authority you people have over me is what the Lord has given you.

You believe God sends people to hell FOR NO REASON.
What's worse?

Take the log out of your own eye,
before you worry about the splinter in your neighbor's eye.

 

[GodsGrace]

How can I take you seriously?

You believe Mary was sinless, that is deranged to me.

The Doctrines of Grace are taught from the beginning pages of the Bible until the end, it is there, you just do not see it for some reason.

I called no one names.

If I wanted to remove myself from a thread, I would not even post.

The only authority you people have over me is what the Lord has given you.

No one has any authority over you.
You create your own problems with the hatred in your heart.

 

[electedbyHim]

You believe God sends people to hell FOR NO REASON.
What's worse?

Take the log out of your own eye,
before you worry about the splinter in your neighbor's eye.

Prove He does not.

Take the log out of your own eye,
before you worry about the splinter in your neighbor's eye.

Taken out of context.

 

[jasonc]

No one has any authority over you.
You create your own problems with the hatred in your heart.

A cop getting hired and policing whether lost or saved is given authority by God


Romans 13.

I believe he is using that argument

 

[electedbyHim]

No one has any authority over you.
You create your own problems with the hatred in your heart.

Are you playing God that you know my heart?

What problems?

 

[GodsGrace]

The word ALWAYS means “effective”. If you attempt to draw and the object or person does not come, it was not drawn. So the English word “attract” has a slightly different meaning than either the English word DRAW or the Greek word it represents.

The word DRAW does not mean there is always an effect.

A man may wish to DRAW a woman to him that he likes.
Does this mean there will soon be a romantic relationship?

 

[jasonc]

No man may come to the Son except he be drawn by the Father .

 

[GodsGrace]

Are you playing God that you know my heart?

What problems?

Does 3 warnings say anything to you?
I will not reply to more postings to me.

 

[Fastfredy0]

How can I take you seriously?

You believe Mary was sinless, that is deranged to me.

The Doctrines of Grace are taught from the beginning pages of the Bible until the end, it is there, you just do not see it for some reason.

agreed .... worshiping Mary is idol worship. The Mass is idol worship. Making things up like purgatory .. .they departed from scripture and will infallibility of Tradition there is not logical way back. Obviously, R.C.s disagree but they have TRADITION that rules scripture.

The only authority you people have over me is what the Lord has given you.

Interesting point given the context of the discussion. *giggle*

 

[electedbyHim]

Does 3 warnings say anything to you?
I will not reply to more postings to me.

I will not reply to any of your opinions.

 

[GodsGrace]

No man may come to the Son except he be drawn by the Father .

So if God draws everyone...
Does everyone end up going to the Son?

1 Timothy 2:4 God desires that all come to salvation.
John 3:16 God loves the whole world.