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Are you taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
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Wearing the right shoes, and properly clothed spiritually?
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https://christianforums.net/threads/devotional-selecting-the-proper-shoes.109094/
Am I saved; or am I fooling myself?
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jgredline
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OK, Here is what another member wrote and was wondering how many of you out there believe this?
So, this introduces a whole new concept of salvation....
I for the record, could not find where Jesus said this.. If anybody knows, please provide book, chapter and verse and bible version while your are at it..
So, this introduces a whole new concept of salvation....
I for the record, could not find where Jesus said this.. If anybody knows, please provide book, chapter and verse and bible version while your are at it..
Gabbylittleangel
Member
jg,
I may be wrong here, but I was under the impression that if we could keep the ten commandments, that we would not need the sacrifice that Jesus made for us. It is because we CAN NOT do it, that we needed Jesus to do it for us.
There are two ways to get into heaven. :o :-D
1.) Live a perfect sinless life.
2.) Trust in the one that did.
I may be wrong here, but I was under the impression that if we could keep the ten commandments, that we would not need the sacrifice that Jesus made for us. It is because we CAN NOT do it, that we needed Jesus to do it for us.
There are two ways to get into heaven. :o :-D
1.) Live a perfect sinless life.
2.) Trust in the one that did.
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Oscar3
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jgredline said:
Yea well I am not surprised. Consider the source. The same guy also said that Jesus was a 7th day adventist :-D :-D
No kidding, I will see if I can find the quote.
Oh to answer the questions. The NO. The 10 commandments will not save you.
Gabbylittleangel
Member
oh, I had to opt for #2. :-D
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Oscar3
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freeway01 said:
I too will go with option #2 :smt023
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unred typo
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golfjack wrote: My friend, The Bible says we cannot please God without faith. Does it please God if we have faith to be saved? You bet. Does it please God to heal us by our faith? You bet. I suggest you go to a Bible Based Church and get out of that works church you belong to.
Faith is believing what God says to do and doing it, golfjack. Unless we believe what God says to do and do it, we cannot please God. What did Jesus tell the people he preached to that they must do to be saved?
You will find some things in Matthew 5-7 but everything can basically be boiled down to ‘love God and love one another.’ Here are a couple of examples:
5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
This is righteousness that comes not by keeping the rules, rituals and rites of the OT law but by love for one another. God is love. If you dwell in love, you dwell in God and he dwells in you.
5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That you may be the children of your Father which is in heaven…
Can we do everything Jesus commanded and earn our salvation? No. That’s why Jesus died. Whenever we mess up, we can repent, and the blood makes us perfect again. By confessing our sins, and believing in his blood to take away those sins as we repent of them, we are having faith in his blood to save us. Does this negate grace? How? There are no works that we can do to undo our sins, only the blood can do that. Did Jesus have to die for us? So it was by grace that we are saved, isn’t it?
Do you see how this is different that what you are saying? You have boiled the message down further to where it is stuck to the pan and burnt and unusable. To believe in Christ, you must believe what he said, not just some facts about him. To be in Christ, you must "dwell in love."
:smt060
Faith is believing what God says to do and doing it, golfjack. Unless we believe what God says to do and do it, we cannot please God. What did Jesus tell the people he preached to that they must do to be saved?
You will find some things in Matthew 5-7 but everything can basically be boiled down to ‘love God and love one another.’ Here are a couple of examples:
5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
This is righteousness that comes not by keeping the rules, rituals and rites of the OT law but by love for one another. God is love. If you dwell in love, you dwell in God and he dwells in you.
5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That you may be the children of your Father which is in heaven…
Can we do everything Jesus commanded and earn our salvation? No. That’s why Jesus died. Whenever we mess up, we can repent, and the blood makes us perfect again. By confessing our sins, and believing in his blood to take away those sins as we repent of them, we are having faith in his blood to save us. Does this negate grace? How? There are no works that we can do to undo our sins, only the blood can do that. Did Jesus have to die for us? So it was by grace that we are saved, isn’t it?
Do you see how this is different that what you are saying? You have boiled the message down further to where it is stuck to the pan and burnt and unusable. To believe in Christ, you must believe what he said, not just some facts about him. To be in Christ, you must "dwell in love."
:smt060
francisdesales
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unred typo said:
Sounds very biblical to me. Good job, unred typo...
For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. (Gal 5:6)
and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. 1 Cor 13:2
Faith without love is nothing.
Regards
destiny
Member
Because I love the Lord my desire is to keep His commandments and be dead to sin, but if at some point I fail, His blood is sufficient.Gabbylittleangel said:
Romans 6: 1-2
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
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Galations 5:6 says faith worketh by love. God is love. He has imparted His love to us. If we learn to operate in the law of love, the law of faith will work in us, because faith worketh by love. ( Ther law of faith will not work in us until we operate in the lasw of love).
My faith works because I have love. I do not have love because I have faith, it's the other way around. I have faith because I have love. This is the kind of faith God has. This is the kind of faith that will avail.
I believe we should find a place to start showing love. That means more than just giving someone a hug. It may mean helping some bum in the gutter. That's the way love is. Instead of trying to get love all the time, love gives.
Sometimes we get so excited about faith that we act in presumption instead of real faith. Faith that is not founded on a good foundation always will act in presumption. Faith founded on the Word of God always will act in line with God's Word and will not do anything foolish.
May God bless, golfjack
Galations 5:6 says faith worketh by love. God is love. He has imparted His love to us. If we learn to operate in the law of love, the law of faith will work in us, because faith worketh by love. ( Ther law of faith will not work in us until we operate in the lasw of love).
My faith works because I have love. I do not have love because I have faith, it's the other way around. I have faith because I have love. This is the kind of faith God has. This is the kind of faith that will avail.
I believe we should find a place to start showing love. That means more than just giving someone a hug. It may mean helping some bum in the gutter. That's the way love is. Instead of trying to get love all the time, love gives.
Sometimes we get so excited about faith that we act in presumption instead of real faith. Faith that is not founded on a good foundation always will act in presumption. Faith founded on the Word of God always will act in line with God's Word and will not do anything foolish.
May God bless, golfjack
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Saving faith is in Christ ( Hebrews 12:1, 2): That person in whom we have saving faith is the God-Man, Christ, the promised Messiah. As His followers, we are to run with endurance the race that is set before us (v.1). We are to be conscious of that great cloud, the host of heavenly witnesses, the Old and New Testaments saints as represented in Hebrews 11, knowing that they are our heavenly spectators. We are to run the race by faith, looking to Jesus, Who is:
1. The author of our faith ( v.2). Christ is the leader of our faith. We are the sheep of His pasture, and we hear and know His voice as He speaks to us out of the written Word ( Rom. 10:17). To know our spiritual Leader by faith is to take up our cross and follow Him ( Mark 8:34-38).
The finisher of our faith ( v. 2). Christ is the perfecter of our faith. On the cross, He said, It is finished ( John 19:30). These words were a shout of victory, a triumpth of His faith. Paul said, the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God ( Gal. 2:20). Paul did not live by faith in any patriarch or prophet. He learned and profited by their lives of faith, but he lived only by the faith he found in God the Son.
The object of our faith. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever ( Heb. 13:8). His faith, like His human and divine nature, is immutible. He is the worthy object of our faith ( Mal. 3:6).
The embodiment of our faith. Our faith is cerrtified as effective because He is the resurrected God-Man, who is seated at the right hand of the Father.
The way of saving faith. Jesus is our way of faith, our truth of faith, and our life of faith. No one comes to the Fatherr except through Me ( John 14:6).
The forerunner of our faith. The word forerunner means to scout, to go before us and experience every inch of the way. As we run the believer's race, looking unto Jesus who ran the course before us, understanding the race He ran, there should be no surprises; for He was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin ( Heb. 4:14-16).
Saving faith is in a person. That person is God, the Lord Jesus Christ. This saving faith is not your faith until you accept Him ass your personal Savior, for He alone is your saving faith ( Acts 4:12).
May God bless, golfjack
Saving faith is in Christ ( Hebrews 12:1, 2): That person in whom we have saving faith is the God-Man, Christ, the promised Messiah. As His followers, we are to run with endurance the race that is set before us (v.1). We are to be conscious of that great cloud, the host of heavenly witnesses, the Old and New Testaments saints as represented in Hebrews 11, knowing that they are our heavenly spectators. We are to run the race by faith, looking to Jesus, Who is:
1. The author of our faith ( v.2). Christ is the leader of our faith. We are the sheep of His pasture, and we hear and know His voice as He speaks to us out of the written Word ( Rom. 10:17). To know our spiritual Leader by faith is to take up our cross and follow Him ( Mark 8:34-38).
The finisher of our faith ( v. 2). Christ is the perfecter of our faith. On the cross, He said, It is finished ( John 19:30). These words were a shout of victory, a triumpth of His faith. Paul said, the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God ( Gal. 2:20). Paul did not live by faith in any patriarch or prophet. He learned and profited by their lives of faith, but he lived only by the faith he found in God the Son.
The object of our faith. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever ( Heb. 13:8). His faith, like His human and divine nature, is immutible. He is the worthy object of our faith ( Mal. 3:6).
The embodiment of our faith. Our faith is cerrtified as effective because He is the resurrected God-Man, who is seated at the right hand of the Father.
The way of saving faith. Jesus is our way of faith, our truth of faith, and our life of faith. No one comes to the Fatherr except through Me ( John 14:6).
The forerunner of our faith. The word forerunner means to scout, to go before us and experience every inch of the way. As we run the believer's race, looking unto Jesus who ran the course before us, understanding the race He ran, there should be no surprises; for He was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin ( Heb. 4:14-16).
Saving faith is in a person. That person is God, the Lord Jesus Christ. This saving faith is not your faith until you accept Him ass your personal Savior, for He alone is your saving faith ( Acts 4:12).
May God bless, golfjack
jgredline
Member
destiny said:
Now Folks; What is so difficult about this to understand? A true believer in Christ will naturally want to follow Jesus Commandments....Because of what Jesus did on the cross through the shedding of his blood our sin dept is paid in full...Amen.....So is keeping the 10 commandments a requirement for salvation? NO...Because then it would be works and this contridicts sctripture...We are saved by Grace and grace alone as I have already covered....
I believe that a Child of God can't loose his Salvation. No way jose...
I also don't believe is OSAS....If a person looses his salvation, he lost nothing because he never had it to begin with...He only thought he / she had it.....Hence these people will hear the words ''I never knew you''
1 john 3:4-9 nkjv
4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
I will touch on only two points of these verses for now....as I really need to get to work...
First the Greek word for ''commits'' means a continued action, to keep sinning, to be a habitual sinner, to live in sin... This is not talking about commiting sin, but the continuing of sin.. For example. A child of God would not have a problem with pornogrophy; That is an addiction to it. A christian who has the Spirit of God in him, would not be making Jesus watch that filth with him.....A christian may stumble into a web page that has porn and rather than click off it clicks to another link and then another and thus the flesh got the better of him in that instance. A christian would feel the conviction of the Holy Spirit and quickly repent of it and not do it or have the desire to do it, where one who does not have the spirit of God, will do it again and thus sin again and again and again....
The second point I want to make is this...
Satan's sinful nature is shown through the lives of those who belong to him. Jesus purpose in coming was to destroy the devil's works. Thus John is indicating that it is possible for believers to do that which is of the devil Mark 8:31 tells us this
''31 And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. 32 He spoke this word openly. Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him. 33 But when He had turned around and looked at His disciples, He rebuked Peter, saying, "Get behind Me, Satan! For you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."
The ''seed'' has been variously interpreted as Jesus, the Holy Spirit, Scripture, or the gospel message. In other words, this verse is saying that habitual sin is not consistent with the Christian walk.
Well folks, I know this is not a great explanation as time is my enemy right now, but questions or debates are welcome...
francisdesales
Member
jgredline said:
Egad...
So you do not know you are saved, do you? We don't know what we will do in 10 years, so does this mean that anything you do today MIGHT NOT be from God, since "we were never saved to begin with"? I see this as a serious cause of confusion among Christians. An act of love done 10 years ago was from God! That cannot be undone.
We were saved. That past cannot be "unsaved". However, all those "saved" years and years ago will not necessarily enter heaven upon their deaths. Being justified 30 years ago was only the first step in our salvation to heaven. Thus, the Scriptures tell us "I am saved", "I am being saved", and "I will be saved". Depends on the context. It's a journey that actually BEGAN for ALL Christians, whether they fell away later or not...
ALL Christians were saved (healed) - but some may require God's healing touch again...
But placing "I am saved" only in the past - claiming with certainty that "I am saved!" and then denying it ever happened 20 years later is sophistry... This theology casts into doubt everything you do...
Let's not deny what Christ's Spirit has done in the past - rather, let us repent again when we fall, and not blame God for "never being there to begin with".
Regards
jgredline
Member
francisdesales said:
Francis
This is ''one'' of the many faults and a part of the false teaching of the Catholic Church....I noticed you gave me your opinion, but did not give me a verse that said God will take away from me what he has given me for free...
Please, do not take verses out of context....
destiny
Member
I would like to agree with you jg, but I can't on this. 
How would you interpret this...
Romans 11:17-22 - And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in." Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, ((if)) you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.
How would you interpret this...
Romans 11:17-22 - And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in." Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, ((if)) you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.
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Solo
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destiny said:I would like to agree with you jg, but I can't on this.
How would you interpret this...
Romans 11:17-22 - And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in." Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, ((if)) you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.
What happens to a person when he/she is born again?