Again, another ad hominem. Are you unable to discuss the baptism in the Spirit and must resort to personal attacks?
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Baptism in the Spirit: The experience
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My experience is similar. I prayed to God and ask Him for my prayer language -- and He gave it to me immediately. I pray daily in tongues, or more properly, the Holy Spirit within me converses with God in a language that I don't understand.Being physically present where tongues are in evidence would help you with your understanding. TV and net are not what you need.
I will tell you how I got the Gift of Tongues. I received the Gift of Tongues at salvation, before I left the spot at the front of the church where I received my salvation . I stood there at the altar and words were wanting to come out of my mouth that were NOT my words . I was shocked and thought what is happening to me and I did not let The Holy Spirit have the utterance . Over the next few weeks I came to understand that The Holy Spirit was wanting to speak through me when I was at the altar . At a later church service anyone with a need went to the altar for prayer and I went and was prayed for and began speaking in tongues . No training , no teaching it just flowed . Now have I ever gave a message out in tongues in a church service , no I have not . When I am alone in prayer is when I will pray in tongues . Sometimes a melody come with the words and I sing my prayer , this is not very often but so great when it does happen.
I have no doubt .
Tongues have ceased for you .
God thinks I need to speak as The Spirit gives the utterance, otherwise why would he give me the Gift of Tongues.
Yes.
Only those who haven't received this gift doubt that it exists.
Jibberish is jibberish whether in person or on TV.
Why do you need to pray in tongues? What at all does that prove or how does that help you in anyway? Its not something you see people doing in the NT.I will tell you how I got the Gift of Tongues. I received the Gift of Tongues at salvation, before I left the spot at the front of the church where I received my salvation . I stood there at the altar and words were wanting to come out of my mouth that were NOT my words . I was shocked and thought what is happening to me and I did not let The Holy Spirit have the utterance . Over the next few weeks I came to understand that The Holy Spirit was wanting to speak through me when I was at the altar . At a later church service anyone with a need went to the altar for prayer and I went and was prayed for and began speaking in tongues . No training , no teaching it just flowed . Now have I ever gave a message out in tongues in a church service , no I have not . When I am alone in prayer is when I will pray in tongues . Sometimes a melody come with the words and I sing my prayer , this is not very often but so great when it does happen
I have no doubt .
Tongues have ceased for you .
God thinks I need to speak as The Spirit gives the utterance, otherwise why would he give me the Gift of Tongues.
Yes.
I don't pray in tongues; the Holy Spirit within me prays in tongues. I'm just the "instrument".
Paul wrote that he prays in tongues.
Romans 8:26, "In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness, for we do not know how we should pray, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with inexpressible groanings."
1 Corinthians 14:13-15a, "So then, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret. If I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unproductive. What should I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind."
Yes! Bible.
Rom 8 does not say anything about tongues. You equate “inexpressible groanings” as tongues. I have already showed the Biblical definition of a tongue. Acts2….It was a language those in the audience could understand. Now please show me, in the Bible, where ”tongues” changed from being a language the audience could understand to “inexpressible groanings”? Tongues are not even discussed in the whole of Romans.
Yes Paul did pray in tongues. In a church assembly. This is what is under discussion in 1 cor 14.….how to conduct oneself in a church assembly. We dont ever see anybody “praying in tongues” in private. There is no reason for it. Doesn’t matter what language you use. God knows what you are going to say before you even say it in any language.
Thank you for scripture. Doesn’t that make for a much better discussion?
Walpole
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Ah, the modern "amniotic fluid" interpretation finally comes out.
First, if by water our Blessed Lord is referring to amniotic fluid / natural birth, Jesus would be affirming Nicodemus' erroneous understanding of being born again. Secondly, NOWHERE in Scripture is being born synonymous with being "born of water." Lastly, our Blessed Lord says man must be born "of" water. The Greek word for "of" is ἐk, which means from / of / an origin of something. (Source) Man is not birthed from water, but rather from a mother; that is, a person. Man is not born from water / amniotic fluid. In other words, water is not the origin of man's natural birth and Scripture never refers to it as such. (e.g. Matthew 1:1-11).
Fluid isn’t what gives birth to man, their mother is.
Bingo! As St. Paul rightly says, it is in baptism by which we are born into a NEW LIFE!
Walpole
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Walpole
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Romans 8:26 says nothing about tongues.
As for 1 Cor 14, if you continue reading to verse 21, the Apostle quotes Isaiah 28:11, which is about the alien tongue of foreign invaders.
Alien tongue = foreign language
If you could really speak in tongues, you would be speaking an actual real foreign language.
1 Corinthians 13:1, "If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but I do not have love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal."
! Corinthians 14:2, " For the one speaking in a tongue does not speak to people but to God, for no one understands; he is speaking mysteries by the Spirit."
1 Corinthians 14:5-7, "I wish you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets so that the church may be strengthened. Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you speaking in tongues, how will I help you unless I speak to you with a revelation or with knowledge or prophecy or teaching? It is similar for lifeless things that make a sound, like a flute or harp. Unless they make a distinction in the notes, how can what is played on the flute or harp be understood?"
1 Corinthians 14:13-16, "So then, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret. If I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unproductive. What should I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind. I will sing praises with my spirit, but I will also sing praises with my mind. Otherwise, if you are praising God with your spirit, how can someone without the gift say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since he does not know what you are saying?"
It's true that Paul was writing to the Corinthians about speaking in tongues in church, but that doesn't exclude speaking and/or praying in tongues outside of church. One may sing in church, but they also might sing outside of church. One may pray in church, but they also might pray outside of church. The location is unimportant.
The Holy Spirit intercedes on your behalf and prays for exactly what is needed to be prayed for.
True...
After which time we grow in faith nurtured by the indwelling Holy Spirit, and guided hopefully as we study the Word under the guidance of the Lord's servants and not by false teachers of whom there are many. It is a dreadful responsibility.
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That is why I never sought the gift of tongues, it is the least of the gifts. Wisdom is altogether a better gift.
But gifts or no gifts, we can all be inspired by the indwelling wisdom of the Word. See Proverbs 8 with 1 Cor1:30, 1 Cor1:24, Col 2:2-3.
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i dont do tongues but the Bible speaks about praying in tongues..i see no benefit in it
The key words of your post are these..."in Him".
As there is no sin "in Christ", neither can there be sin on those "in Christ".
That is where those who are reborn exist.
Too bad you see no benefit.
It is written..."Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God." Rom 8:26-27)
The Spirit is talking from you.
Don't you think you could use some intersession?
the spirit is taking MY prayer and making intercession for me btw that is not speaking in tongues ..in fact tongues is never mentioned in romans 8... stop twisting the word
Not so. Although there are three distinctly different baptisms, with three distinctly different baptizers, there is one baptism that is common to all believers that causes us to be one, in Christ Jesus.
When a person hears and believes (obeys) the Gospel of Jesus Christ, they are born again, and thus baptized by the Spirit into Christ, into one body, whereby they are now joined with Him and other believers into one body and are one spirit with Him.
For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:12-13
But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him. 1 Corinthians 6:17
When the Apostles had learned of the salvations taking place in Samaria, they went down there because the people there needed to be baptized with the Holy Spirit.
Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, 15 who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. 16 For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
18 And when Simon saw that through the laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money, 19 saying, “Give me this power also, that anyone on whom I lay hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”
Acts 8:14-19
- For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
Samaria have indeed received the Gospel message and had been baptized in water by Phillip. What they were lacking was being baptized with the Holy Spirit, which is also called receiving the Holy Spirit.
JLB
You underlined the important part. Tongues are useless unless you have a revelation knowledge prophecy or teaching. The gibberish I’ve heard for years has none of that. Nobody knows a thing that is being saId. Its all for show.
Exactly. How can I say amen to any of your noise unless i know what you are saying. Tongues are a language that can be understood. I have never heard a “tongue” that I ever understood what they were saying.
You want to do this by yourself go ahead but I do not see why you would ever feel the need to. Like I have said….God knows what you are going to say in a prayer before you do. The language or gibberish you use makes no difference. These are the reasons I see no modern day need for anyone to speak in tongues that we witness today. There’s no revelation. Was there in the early church? Yes. There’s no teaching. Was there in the early church? Yes. There’s no prophecy. Was there in the early church? Yes.
Well whatever it is the text says that it “cannot be uttered”. Which means it cant come out of your mouth. So we aren’t talking about tongues of any kind seeing that tongues are something that is “uttered”.
Do you understand the difference between tongues and interpretation for a public meeting and praying in tongues, (praying in the spirit)?
JLB