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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
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Baptism in the Spirit: The experience
- Thread starter Alfred Persson
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Because we are called to go into our closet and shut the door to pray in secret.
When I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays.
For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding. 1 Corinthians 14:14-15
- I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding.
- I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding.
Prayer and worship to God is done in our prayer closet; in secret.
But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. Matthew 6:6
JLB
Brother, please stop speaking against everyone who has been baptized with the Spirit and prays in tongues.
Just because you are unlearned in this type of operation of the Spirit, doesn’t give you the right to blaspheme other believers.
JLB
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Does anyone know what you are saying when you supposedly speak in tongues? In other words, are you speaking something that someone from a foreign land would recognize?
Are your tongues repeatable? Meaning, do you speak the same things or something new each time? And is it decipherable by others?
Our Blessed Lord said NOT to pray in babble like the pagans. (cf. Mt. 6:7)
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The events in Acts are unique to the 1st century. It was a unique time, a time of transition from Judaism to Christianity.
From John McArthur's Commentary:
Many who teach that Christians receive the Spirit subsequent to salvation appeal to this and similar passages for support. Here is a clear example, they argue, of people who were saved, yet did not have the Holy Spirit. Such teaching ignores the transitional nature of Acts. (For further discussion of the transitional nature of Acts and the issue of subsequence regarding the coming of the Spirit, see my book Charismatic Chaos [Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1992].) It also flies in the face of the plain teaching of Scripture that “if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him” (Rom. 8:9). There is no such thing as a Christian who does not yet have the Holy Spirit, since “by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body” at conversion (1 Cor. 12:13).
Why did the Samaritans (and later the Gentiles) have to wait for the apostles before receiving the Spirit? For centuries, the Samaritans and the Jews had been bitter rivals. If the Samaritans had received the Spirit independent of the Jerusalem church, that rift would have been perpetuated. There could well have been two separate churches, a Jewish church and a Samaritan church. But God had designed one church, in which “there is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female,” but “all [are] one in Christ Jesus” (Gal. 3:28).
By delaying the Spirit’s coming until Peter and John arrived, God preserved the unity of the church. The apostles needed to see for themselves, and give firsthand testimony to the Jerusalem church, that the Spirit came upon the Samaritans. The Samaritans also needed to learn that they were subject to apostolic authority. The Jewish believers and the Samaritans were thus linked together into one body.
Today, believers receive the Spirit at salvation (cf. 1 Cor. 12:13). There was no need for delay after Jews, Gentiles, Samaritans, and Old Testament saints were already included in the church.
MacArthur, J. F., Jr. (1994). Acts (Vol. 1, pp. 244–245). Moody Press.
You, as I already have the witness in myself.
Translation, please.if me you lost the battle if you looks your on the ball
Isn't it nice that we can pray for the gifts of the Spirit?
Luke 11:13, 1 Cor 14:12-13.
Thank you for an honest answer.
Rom 11:29 NKJV For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
If there is an interpreter present they are not vain babblings, far from it. The God-given messages are for our edification and encouragement. It is like being back with Jesus in the Holy Land, listening to him as His disciples did. This is why it is so important we have this God-given channel of blessing with us today.
MacArthur does not say we receive all of God's gifts at salvation, we are still babes in Christ at that point, feeding on the milk, the strong meat comes later. Instead we are told to earnestly seek the best gifts, especially the gift of prophesy. 1 Cor 14:1.
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i failed to put a word in if its me YOUR trying to convince you lost the battle . your more focused on the Gift than the giver of the gift. your making it your GOD
Yes and No, depending on the operation of the Spirit.
For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. 1 Corinthians 14:2
The context of my posts to you have been about “praying” in tongues, not speaking in tongues in a public setting and thus requiring the companion gift of interpretation in tongues.
It may be confusing because praying in tongues and speaking in tongues are both “speaking“ because they both incorporate using your mouth to express words.
- Praying in tongues is your spirit speaking directly to God.
- Speaking in tongues is the Holy Spirit speaking to people.
I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification. 1 Corinthians 14:5
But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.
1 Corinthians 12:7-11
JLB
i am not opposed to tongues ..what i am opposed to is those who think they got more Jesus than i do . in our churches across America if someone dont speak in tongues in the service they think God has not moved. yes praying in the spirit is far different than speaking in tongues even Jude wrote building yourselves up in your most Holy faith Praying in the Holy Ghost not tongues is not mentioned in the book at all. the greatest prayer in the spirit is Lord help me or some other person the spirit knows what the plea of help is .takes it to the throne of Grace !! we need to get back to what thus saith the word of God instead of what we think it has to say.
i say from the pulpit many times the Baptist think the Pentecostals are nuts and the Pentecostal think the Baptist are dead. both are right .
we have took acts and shredded it up like a paper shredder
i say from the pulpit many times the Baptist think the Pentecostals are nuts and the Pentecostal think the Baptist are dead. both are right .
we have took acts and shredded it up like a paper shredder
The only thing that has changed since Pentecost is people. God, and His promises are the same yesterday, today and forever.
Amen, sir.
The only thing that has changed since Pentecost is people. God, and His promises are the same yesterday, today and forever.
Well said brother! Amen
A side note - off topic.
You ever heard of a knifemaker name Stuart Mitchell?
His knives are amazing.
He is a third generation knife maker from Sheffield England.
JLB
I have a fondness for a good knife myself and have about 20 in a draw going back to my grandfather. I thought he might be a little mister working in Kelham Island but he is a stone's throw from there. I hadn't heard of him, but will keep my eyes open now, he makes knives for some top names. Nice one.
I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
1 Corinthians 14:5
So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
1 Corinthians 14:9
Because Im wasting my time if I dont. Nobody will understand a thing I said. And…
Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
1 Corinthians 14:19
Go ahead. Maybe he’ll give you the gift of healing. There are many that need it.