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Baptism in the Spirit: The experience
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Tongues were not a language that could be understood.
1 Corinthians 14:1-19 explains this clearly...
Pursue love and be eager for the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy. For the one speaking in a tongue does not speak to people but to God, for no one understands; he is speaking mysteries by the Spirit. But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouragement, and consolation. The one who speaks in a tongue builds himself up, but the one who prophesies builds up the church. I wish you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets so that the church may be strengthened.
Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you speaking in tongues, how will I help you unless I speak to you with a revelation or with knowledge or prophecy or teaching? It is similar for lifeless things that make a sound, like a flute or harp. Unless they make a distinction in the notes, how can what is played on the flute or harp be understood? If, for example, the trumpet makes an unclear sound, who will get ready for battle? It is the same for you. If you do not speak clearly with your tongue, how will anyone know what is being said? For you will be speaking into the air. There are probably many kinds of languages in the world, and none is without meaning. If then I do not know the meaning of a language, I will be a foreigner to the speaker and the speaker a foreigner to me. It is the same with you. Since you are eager for manifestations of the Spirit,[e] seek to abound in order to strengthen the church.
So then, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret. If I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unproductive. What should I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind. I will sing praises with my spirit, but I will also sing praises with my mind. Otherwise, if you are praising God with your spirit, how can someone without the gift say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since he does not know what you are saying? For you are certainly giving thanks well, but the other person is not strengthened. I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you, but in the church I want to speak five words with my mind to instruct others, rather than ten thousand words in a tongue."
This clearly describes the gift of speaking in tongues. If you can't understand it or deny that it exists, there is nothing more that can be said.
Walpole
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If one looks up the etymological origin of “tongue”, you will see the Latin root lingua, from which we get the word language. Lingua is Latin for both tongue and language.
Ergo, speaking in tongues = speaking in languages
This is the clear meaning described in the Scriptures and prophesied by our Blessed Lord. For this gift allowed the Apostles and disciples to speak in languages which they did not know and thus spread the faith to foreign lands.
"He said to them, 'Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues..." (Mark 16:15-17)
Ergo, speaking in tongues = speaking in languages
This is the clear meaning described in the Scriptures and prophesied by our Blessed Lord. For this gift allowed the Apostles and disciples to speak in languages which they did not know and thus spread the faith to foreign lands.
"He said to them, 'Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues..." (Mark 16:15-17)
You obviously didnt read my post on Acts 2 which specifically defined a tongue as a language that could be understood by the listeners.
The first 5 verses do not help your position. Paul is speaking against tongues and for prohesying.
I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
1 Corinthians 14:5
No “tongue” speaker I have ever seen has an interpreter and the reason is is that it is gibberish and nobody could interpret.
Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
1 Corinthians 14:6
You people dont do this. You just jabber with no teaching ability in it whatsoever
This next verse should settle it…
So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
1 Corinthians 14:9
You and I both know that whatever it is you do it is NOT easy to understand actually it is impossible to understand because its not even a language to be understood. If that dont settle it I dont know what will?
Acts 2 is simply a description of what happened on the day of Pentecost; it is not the same thing as Paul's description of speaking in tongues in 1 Corinthians. The people at Pentecost heard their own languages. The Corinthians were instructed by Paul about an unknown language.
Writing "No “tongue” speaker I have ever seen has an interpreter and the reason is is that it is gibberish and nobody could interpret" says more about your unbelief than it does about God's truth.
It's clear that because God hasn't given you the gift of speaking in tongues, you are clearly jealous and revert to claiming it doesn't exist. That is very sad!
If you can't see the difference get a different Bible and/or open your mind.
Acts 2 is a Biblical description of what a tongue is. If you can show me a biblical description of what you do then go ahead.
The word “unknown” in 1 Cor 14 was added by the translators. It was not a part of the text. But, the word ”unknown” is referring to it being “unknown” by the one speaking and not by the hearers. They were speaking a language that was “unknown” to the ones speaking it.
Should I believe your flawed interpretation or what the Bible clearly says? It's obvious that, since God didn't give you the gift of speaking in tongues, you're clearly jealous of those of us who have received that gift.
Do you talk to your friends in 'tongues.'
No, I talk to God. Or more properly the Holy Spirit within me talks to God the Father. I don't know what is being said. As Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 14:14-15a, "If I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unproductive. What should I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind."
P.S. I just realized that your question was directed at Cnkw3. Sorry.
No problem.
If you had been where I was a few years ago you would have understood this message in tongues. Why ? Because it was the English tongue . Here is what happened.
I told you that I have not given a message out in tongues in a church service but I did have this to happen . A few years back I was a patient on a limited access floor of a hospital , I was in for observation , how I came to be in the hospital is an epic story . Once a day we would have a session with a leader asking a question and we would take turns giving our thoughts . The leader asked the question and I was not first in line to answer and as I was sitting there trying to form an answer in my head it was NOT happening no matter how I tried ! It was an odd feeling but I knew that something needed to be said but I could not even get two words together in my mind . When it came for my turn to speak much to my shock my mouth opened and out came the most eloquent words and the words came out with force and precision but they were NOT my words it was the Holy Spirit giving the message in English . I am by no stretch of the imagination a good speaker , so my face had to be one of utter disbelief as the words came out of my mouth .
Later as I thought about what had happened , why was the message from the Holy Spirit in English? There might not have been anyone there with the Gift to interpretate another language or English was what was proper for the situation. Which makes sense after all I was not in a church service . The Holy Spirit wanted everyone to understand.
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It is the manifestation of the Spirit talking with Father, not you talking with Father.
It is speaking of the things that we don't even know we should pray about.
"...for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." (Rom 8:26)
so who are you trying to convince me or your self? if me you lost the battle if you looks your on the ball
No. I only know one language and it took me years to learn it. Even though its still not very good. God has not given me any miraculous ability to communicate in any other language.
Have you asked Him for the gift of tongues? That's how I received my prayer language.
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Why would you need to pray in your own language in Church?
So if a person responds to the message and comes down to the front for prayer, what language should the Pastor use to pray for the person?
JLB
Can you see how your statement contradicts scripture?
- If I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays
- I don't pray in tongues
JLB