Is preaching once saved always saved helpful..

[thessalonian]

... Since you like to compartmentalize individual verses i will post 4-7 all together for you so you can see that you are wrong.

Gal 5
[4] You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.
[5] For through the Spirit, by faith, we wait for the hope of righteousness.
[6] For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision is of any avail, but faith working through love.
[7] You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth?


Severed. Hmmmm. That means cut from. How can one be severed from what he was not attached to? V. 7 "you were running well". It is quite apparent that Paul did in fact believe they were walking the walk. For him to say this they must have been producing fruit. For there is no way he would say "you were running well" otherwise. You shall know them by their fruites you know. Of course if they are no longer producing fruit then there is a problem. You no longer know them.

OSAS is refuted by simple rules of logic anyway....

Hey why not quote from verse one...[quote:6b711]
Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Gal 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Gal 5:7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
Gal 5:8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
Gal 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

Seems to me he isn't directly addressing osas. It appears he is comparing being justified by the Law to being justified by Christ.


Also, you say OSAS is refuted by simple rules of logic. It seems "illogical" to me that God would actually snatch away from anyone the free, unmerited gift of Grace. It's one thing for someone to refuse it, but is it really God's nature to grant one salvation, then give it away? What do we have to do to recieve it and what can we do to lose it?[/quote:6b711]


I would like to know who hacked in as me. :x

 

[Vic C.]

... I would like to know who hacked in as me. :x

I can't tell you how that happened, but it's fixed. I may have clicked on edit instead of quote. :o

Solo, what you quoted above was actually mine, not Thess's.

Anyway...

... Since you like to compartmentalize individual verses i will post 4-7 all together for you so you can see that you are wrong.

Gal 5
[4] You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.
[5] For through the Spirit, by faith, we wait for the hope of righteousness.
[6] For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision is of any avail, but faith working through love.
[7] You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth?


Severed. Hmmmm. That means cut from. How can one be severed from what he was not attached to? V. 7 "you were running well". It is quite apparent that Paul did in fact believe they were walking the walk. For him to say this they must have been producing fruit. For there is no way he would say "you were running well" otherwise. You shall know them by their fruites you know. Of course if they are no longer producing fruit then there is a problem. You no longer know them.

OSAS is refuted by simple rules of logic anyway....

Hey why not quote from verse one...

Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Gal 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Gal 5:7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
Gal 5:8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
Gal 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

Seems to me he isn't directly addressing osas. It appears he is comparing being justified by the Law to being justified by Christ.


Also, you say OSAS is refuted by simple rules of logic. It seems "illogical" to me that God would actually snatch away from anyone the free, unmerited gift of Grace. It's one thing for someone to refuse it, but is it really God's nature to grant one salvation, then give it away? What do we have to do to recieve it and what can we do to lose it?

 

[thessalonian]

Hey why not quote from verse one...
Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Great idea. how can you "be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage", if you were never unentangled?

Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Gal 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Gal 5:7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
Gal 5:8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
Gal 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

Seems to me he isn't directly addressing osas.

I agree. He is not addressing it at all. Or anywhere else for that matter.

It appears he is comparing being justified by the Law to being justified by Christ.

Well the fact is that he is making the point that they cannot be justified by the law or they have "fallen from grace". Grace is justified by Christ and it is the only way one can be justified.

Also, you say OSAS is refuted by simple rules of logic. It seems "illogical" to me that God would actually snatch away from anyone the free, unmerited gift of Grace. It's one thing for someone to refuse it, but is it really God's nature to grant one salvation, then give it away? What do we have to do to recieve it and what can we do to lose it?

Why don't you refute the logic I have presented. It's not my own logic. It's simple rules of logic which don't depend on my supposing this or that about God. It's simple statistics. Your supposistions in fact increase the logical conundrum I have raised. Are your supposistions and conclusions nfallible such that you can for 100% certain say you have interpruted the Bible correctly and have come to the proper conclusion that OSAS is a Biblical doctrine. By the way it is quite logical to me that God does not take away our free will. Further the issue is not God granting or not granting salvation. The issue is how we know we are saved for all eternity. We don't, except if we persevere in doing good. He does.

Blessings

 

[Vic C.]

1 John has a lot to say about this. The whole letter would be a good read, but the fifth chapter should suffice.

1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
1 John 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

Jesus said this:

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

and this:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

John 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Titus 3:3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
Titus 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Titus 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Titus 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Where's the Good News if we can't assure people there is hope in salvation if they truely believe, if we say, "you might be saved, but you can't be sure" or, you might be saved, but you can lose your salvation. At what point, I can't really tell you".

Salvation is freedom, uplifting, comforting, assuring, agape... something we humans find almost incomprehensible. Casting a shadow of a doubt on one's salvation makes sharing the Gospel all in vain. If one cannot be sure, where is Faith?

Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

 

[thessalonian]

So your 100 percent infallibly sure that those verses say OSAS. I could refute your interprutatoin of them but I think I will stick with the logical conundrum you are faced with and refuse to answer. Are you an infallible interpreter of scripture such that you are 100 % sure the Bible says OSAS.

Blessings

 

[Solo]

So your 100 percent infallibly sure that those verses say OSAS. I could refute your interprutatoin of them but I think I will stick with the logical conundrum you are faced with and refuse to answer. Are you an infallible interpreter of scripture such that you are 100 % sure the Bible says OSAS.

Blessings

So far you and a couple of others are fallible in your interpretation of the scriptures, just like the pope; but the true believers on this board have a unity which you won't know until you submit to the Lordship of Jesus Christ and get away from that monkey business taught by the RCC.

I am done with you and this topic.
Repent, Believe, and Follow Jesus.

 

[thessalonian]

So your 100 percent infallibly sure that those verses say OSAS. I could refute your interprutatoin of them but I think I will stick with the logical conundrum you are faced with and refuse to answer. Are you an infallible interpreter of scripture such that you are 100 % sure the Bible says OSAS.

Blessings

So far you and a couple of others are fallible in your interpretation of the scriptures, just like the pope; but the true believers on this board have a unity which you won't know until you submit to the Lordship of Jesus Christ and get away from that monkey business taught by the RCC.

I am done with you and this topic.
Repent, Believe, and Follow Jesus.

You can't answer the logic is the problem. So you resort to attacking me and the Pope. If you can't answer the question it would have been much better for you to admit it than resort to ad hom.

As for unity, I can go anywhere in the world and easily find people who's doctrines I agee with and who I can share in intimate worship of the one Triune God. How would you find a Church if you traveled to Australia for a week? You can't even guarantee that two baptist Churches of the same denomination believe the same. No, it is you that knows nothing about unity.


I repent daily of my sins. I believe that Jesus Christ as Lord of my life and in his mercy forgives me. I follow him daily. Your judgement of me to the contrary is of little consequence but thanks for your concern.

God bless

 

[Solo]

So your 100 percent infallibly sure that those verses say OSAS. I could refute your interprutatoin of them but I think I will stick with the logical conundrum you are faced with and refuse to answer. Are you an infallible interpreter of scripture such that you are 100 % sure the Bible says OSAS.

Blessings

So far you and a couple of others are fallible in your interpretation of the scriptures, just like the pope; but the true believers on this board have a unity which you won't know until you submit to the Lordship of Jesus Christ and get away from that monkey business taught by the RCC.

I am done with you and this topic.
Repent, Believe, and Follow Jesus.

You can't answer the logic is the problem. So you resort to attacking me and the Pope. If you can't answer the question it would have been much better for you to admit it than resort to ad hom.

As for unity, I can go anywhere in the world and easily find people who's doctrines I agee with and who I can share in intimate worship of the one Triune God. How would you find a Church if you traveled to Australia for a week? You can't even guarantee that two baptist Churches of the same denomination believe the same. No, it is you that knows nothing about unity.


I repent daily of my sins. I believe that Jesus Christ as Lord of my life and in his mercy forgives me. I follow him daily. Your judgement of me to the contrary is of little consequence but thanks for your concern.

God bless

You have once again misinterpreted. This time you have misinterpreted my post. I am 100% infallible in understanding the scriptures as the Holy Spirit gives me understanding. I am 100% sure of OSAS as I have had the experience to believe otherwise, and then God taught me the truth.

If you and the pope believe the doctrines of the RCC as the catechism supports, then you both are NOT infallible as you indicate in your previous post. This was not an attack, but a statement of fact.

Keep in mind that the path to destruction is broad and wide. Hopefully you and the current pope will find your way onto the path of righteousness and not the path of man's religiousity.
My prayers will be with you.

 

[Solo]

Edited to remove double post.

 

[Orthodox Christian]

I am 100% infallible in understanding the scriptures as the Holy Spirit gives me understanding. I am 100% sure of OSAS as I have had the experience to believe otherwise, and then God taught me the truth.

I find this a remarkable statement- 100% infallible. Now, I know that you are not claiming to know all truth- just that your knowing of truth that you do have is perfect.

I would never make such a claim- I wouldn't even assign a number/percentage to my understanding of what God has taught me, but it sure doesn't approach 100%. Nope, because I'm human.

In essence, you have claimed yourself to be your own Pope, as it were. Now, I don't buy into Papal infallibility in the first place, so don't think I'm defending the See of Rome/Peter over your claim.

You have stated here, or at least seemingly imlied, what I have suspected could be said about sola scripturists: multiplied myriad popes.

I find anyone who is 100% sure of a doctrine also very curious. I'm not 100% of anything, doubt I ever will be.

Anybody else here 100% sure of their doctrine, or 100% accurate in what they hear through the Spirit? Maybe it is me that is the oddball, and Solo the norm.

James the imperfect, struggling, believing in spite of unbelief servant of God.

 

[Solo]

I am 100% infallible in understanding the scriptures as the Holy Spirit gives me understanding. I am 100% sure of OSAS as I have had the experience to believe otherwise, and then God taught me the truth.

I find this a remarkable statement- 100% infallible. Now, I know that you are not claiming to know all truth- just that your knowing of truth that you do have is perfect.

I would never make such a claim- I wouldn't even assign a number/percentage to my understanding of what God has taught me, but it sure doesn't approach 100%. Nope, because I'm human.

In essence, you have claimed yourself to be your own Pope, as it were. Now, I don't buy into Papal infallibility in the first place, so don't think I'm defending the See of Rome/Peter over your claim.

You have stated here, or at least seemingly imlied, what I have suspected could be said about sola scripturists: multiplied myriad popes.

I find anyone who is 100% sure of a doctrine also very curious. I'm not 100% of anything, doubt I ever will be.

Anybody else here 100% sure of their doctrine, or 100% accurate in what they hear through the Spirit? Maybe it is me that is the oddball, and Solo the norm.

James the imperfect, struggling, believing in spite of unbelief servant of God.

I am 100% infallible in understanding the scriptures as the Holy Spirit gives me understanding.

Not my ability, but God's.

 

[thessalonian]

I am 100% infallible in understanding the scriptures as the Holy Spirit gives me understanding.

Not my ability, but God's.

A most interesting answer and one I doudt many protestants would post. So you do believe in infallibility. Your problem is just who one might think is infallibe. Then why do you rant about papal infallibility. Why do you just say he's not the guy that's infallible. I (solo) am. We don't claim the Pope is infallible in and of himself on certain maters in a limited way either. We believe that when he speaks infallibly it is because of the Holy Spirit. It sounds like you believe exactly the same doctrine we do concering infalliblity. We just differ on who is infallible.

I am curious. Is everything that you believe infallible? If some of it is not, then how do you know what is infallible and what isn't. I would assume that if you know this then you would know what you believe that is wrong and you would have corrected it by now. This seems problematice to me and is a flaw in your claim that you are infallible. But perhaps I am missing something.


By the way, as long as your thinking you are infallible in scriptural interprutation, I will say that the conundrum I have placed before most protestants on this board who don't believe they are infallible won't work for you until you admit that you are not in fact infallible.

Blessings

Blessings

 

[Solo]

I am 100% infallible in understanding the scriptures as the Holy Spirit gives me understanding.

Not my ability, but God's.

A most interesting answer and one I doudt many protestants would post. So you do believe in infallibility. Your problem is just who one might think is infallibe. Then why do you rant about papal infallibility. Why do you just say he's not the guy that's infallible. I (solo) am. We don't claim the Pope is infallible in and of himself on certain maters in a limited way either. We believe that when he speaks infallibly it is because of the Holy Spirit. It sounds like you believe exactly the same doctrine we do concering infalliblity. We just differ on who is infallible.

I am curious. Is everything that you believe infallible? If some of it is not, then how do you know what is infallible and what isn't. I would assume that if you know this then you would know what you believe that is wrong and you would have corrected it by now. This seems problematice to me and is a flaw in your claim that you are infallible. But perhaps I am missing something.


By the way, as long as your thinking you are infallible in scriptural interprutation, I will say that the conundrum I have placed before most protestants on this board who don't believe they are infallible won't work for you until you admit that you are not in fact infallible.

Blessings

Blessings

Most of the Catholics that I have known in the past and those that I know currently are not very well versed in the scriptures. One sweetheart of a Catholic held my hands on her couch and told me that she knew why I was there. She said that she had a big void in her heart, and that that void could only be filled by Jesus Christ. I shared the truth of the gospel with her, she became a believer that night, and a prayer that I had prayed for her on a number of occasions came to fullfillment with my being able to lead her to Jesus Christ. She has been a member of the RCC for her 40+ years of her life.

All who have the Holy Spirit dwelling within them are 100% infallible as the Holy Spirit gives them understanding. Only those who have not the Holy Spirit are lost and on their way to destruction. God will not falsely interpret his word to his children.

 

[Merry Menagerie]

Although I do think that the human mind can get in the way of God's interpretation in us though.

 

[thessalonian]

Although I do think that the human mind can get in the way of God's interpretation in us though.

Sounds like your disagreeing with his claim to infallibility to me. Do you think that your and Solo's mind could get in the way with OSAS?
Do you think that Solo is 100 percent infallible in scriptural interprutation such that he can be 100% assured that some of his doctrines are correct? How about you? Are you infallibly certain that the doctring of OSAS is correct. After all there are many sincere Protestants who have searched the scriptures and deny it. By the way other Protestants on this forum are telling me that if we deny this doctrine we are going to hell. What do you think about that just for the record, since I don't expect you to be at the pearly gates when I get there?

 

[fiat]

God will not falsely interpret his word to his children.

Then why does division exist among hundreds of thousands of sincere, Bible-believing Christians? It simply doesn't stand to reason that the Holy Spirit would guide each Christian to a different interpretation of the same Word until the Body of Christ, the Church, has split and fragmented leaving a heap of opinions, but no "pillar and bulwark of Truth." :

 

[Solo]

When man prefers to walk in the flesh and determine on his own what the scripture teaches, then you will have wrong interpretations of scripture, but where the man walks in the Spirit obeying the Holy Spirit of truth, then man has the Holy Spirit's interpretation and not his own. The Holy Spirit's interpretation is 100% infallible. Most Catholics do not understand the role of the Holy Spirit because of the teachings of the papacy.

 

[thessalonian]

When man prefers to walk in the flesh and determine on his own what the scripture teaches, then you will have wrong interpretations of scripture,

Oh, I couldn't agree more.

pquote] but where the man walks in the Spirit obeying the Holy Spirit of truth, then man has the Holy Spirit's interpretation and not his own.[/quote]

Well it appears that everyone but you is not following the Holy Spirit because your the first Protestant have come accross who has spoken of himself as an infallible interpruter of scripture.

The Holy Spirit's interpretation is 100% infallible. Most Catholics do not understand the role of the Holy Spirit because of the teachings of the papacy.

The Holy Spirit most certainly is 100 percent infallible. Your not. God said in Jer 3:15 that he would send shepherds after his own heart that would give knowledge and understanding. Yet you believe that you can shepherd yourself and come up with your own knowledge and understanding. You are a corrupt man with a sinful nature and your sins influence your thinking with regard to God. YOu say, OSAS because it is easier than overcomming your corrupt nature and submitting to a Church that wants you to root the sin out of your life by the grace of God. This is what the Catholic Church is guilty of. But then this is why Jesus died on the cross. Not for us to wallow in sin but to overcome it. Our God is a good God.

Blessings

 

[Merry Menagerie]

Sounds like your disagreeing with his claim to infallibility to me.

No I'm not. What God tells us is infallible, how we interpret that is fallible. There is a difference.

Do you think that your and Solo's mind could get in the way with OSAS?

No way! Not living the life that I've lived - no. But before I came to the position I am now, I felt the HOly Spirit prompt me in that direction for a long time but I allowed 'false doctrine' to get in the way. I suffered for a long time because of it.

Do you think that Solo is 100 percent infallible in scriptural interprutation such that he can be 100% assured that some of his doctrines are correct?

Solo...no..God ...yes.

How about you? Are you infallibly certain that the doctring of OSAS is correct.

Me? no...God? yes.

After all there are many sincere Protestants who have searched the scriptures and deny it.

I believe because they have been indoctrinated by men...just like I was.

By the way other Protestants on this forum are telling me that if we deny this doctrine we are going to hell. What do you think about that just for the record,

The bible clearly says not to judge people. I have no way of knowing where your heart is at or from where you've come. Therefore I cannot profess to know whether you're going to hell or not..so I won't. Let me put it to you this way...I used to believe as you did, and if Christ returned back then...I don't believe I would have gone to hell for it. I didn't know any better and I believe that God judges us according to what we know...he can't very well judge us on what we don't know can he? But now I do know. Needless to say, I've ALWAYS believed in Jesus, that has never wavered...even during my sufferings, he was my only hope.

since I don't expect you to be at the pearly gates when I get there?

Oh you probably wouldn't recognise me anyway ;)

Can I ask you a sincere question? Why do you have a 'us and them' mentality? Aren't all believers of Christ 'Christian'? Why the lables?

 

[Solo]

When man prefers to walk in the flesh and determine on his own what the scripture teaches, then you will have wrong interpretations of scripture,

Oh, I couldn't agree more.

but where the man walks in the Spirit obeying the Holy Spirit of truth, then man has the Holy Spirit's interpretation and not his own.

Well it appears that everyone but you is not following the Holy Spirit because your the first Protestant have come accross who has spoken of himself as an infallible interpruter of scripture.

[quote:12588] The Holy Spirit's interpretation is 100% infallible. Most Catholics do not understand the role of the Holy Spirit because of the teachings of the papacy.

The Holy Spirit most certainly is 100 percent infallible. Your not. God said in Jer 3:15 that he would send shepherds after his own heart that would give knowledge and understanding. Yet you believe that you can shepherd yourself and come up with your own knowledge and understanding. You are a corrupt man with a sinful nature and your sins influence your thinking with regard to God. YOu say, OSAS because it is easier than overcomming your corrupt nature and submitting to a Church that wants you to root the sin out of your life by the grace of God. This is what the Catholic Church is guilty of. But then this is why Jesus died on the cross. Not for us to wallow in sin but to overcome it. Our God is a good God.

Blessings[/quote:12588]
You are fallible because your guide is the RCC not the Holy Spirit. I am infallible as I submit to the Holy Spirit because he is the authority. When you submit to the Holy Spirit then you too can have infallible doctrine guiding you and your life. Until then you will be apostate and unable to protest satan's doctrines.

4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 1 John 4:4-6

6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
1 John 5:6-13

The false church of Rome is a worldly institution led by doctrines of demons. The Church of Jesus Christ has no worldly boundries and no man is the head of His Church; Jesus is the head of the body of Christ which is made up of believers that have been born of the Spirit, not baptism of the world.

When those of the Roman Catholic Religion know the truth, they will leave the RCC and join a Bible believing fellowship of believers.