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[JLB]

Joshua in Hebrew is either יהושׁע (Yehoshua). As you can plainly see, there is no secod heh (H). Your creative rendition "YeHoWsHuwa" is nonsense and non-existent in the Hebrew text.

Strong's Number: 03091 - Joshua - Y@howshuwa`

8] For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. Hebrews 4:8 - KJV

8] For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. Hebrews 4:8 – nkjv

YeHoWsHuwa = Jesus

 

[eddif]

Romans 14 (Good Jewish author)
Gives each person the liberality to choose their sabbath and food. Some do things as unto The Lord; others refrain from things as unto The Lord. God actually accepts us where we are.
Romans 14:5
Let every man be persuaded in his own mind.
Romans 14:17
Seems to imply that righteousness is not bound up in food or drink, but righteousness , and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

The one new man of Ephesians 2 does not lay stumbling blocks in a brothers way. We are one in Christ. The middle wall is broken down. Climbing across the rubble is hard, but we are well able to not judge each other (pile up rubble to trip some).

Be established in your mind and go for the prize of the high calling in Christ Jesus. Choose your day in faith.

eddif

 

[Gregg]

IMO all Israel knew the commandment said, "remember". The second version would add to that need to "remember", the need to guard and protect the Sabbath diligently. This second version was given to a new audience whose parents died in the wilderness. They may have needed additional instructions to plant the Sabbath firmly in their hearts and minds.

Israel heard the 10 Commandments directly from the LORD (Exo 20). Israel never read the 1st set of tablets containing the 10 Commandments, as Moses broke them (Exo 31:8, Exo 32:19, Deu 9:17). The second time Israel heard the 10 Commandments from Moses instead of directly from the LORD (Deu 5). The Lord again wrote the 10 Commandments on stone and Moses put them into the Ark (Deu 10:1-5). Perhaps Israel did not read the 2nd set of tablets either, but they remained in the ark under the Mercy Seat (1Kings 8:9). But surely Moses and Aaron and the priests taught the Decalogue to each family in every generation in the wilderness.

The commandment about the Sabbath spoken of in Exodus was given with a reference to the LORD as Israel's Creator resting on the 7th day, blessing and sanctifying it [this after making Adam on the 6th day] (Exo 20:11). The commandment regarding the Sabbath spoken of in Deuteronomy was given with a reference to the Lord as Israel's Deliverer, who delivered them the day after the 1st Passover (Deu 5:15).

Jesus, on the evening of the 14th of Nisan [the 6th day of the week], the Last Adam said, 'It is finished,' and afterwards rested on the Passover Sabbath.

"For the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath" (Mat 12:8). I would propose to you that our Creator, who is Israel's Deliverer and Lawgiver is Himself the One who fulfilled the Law; who was crucified upon the cross; the One who instituted the sabbath rest and who is the Lord of the Sabbath.

Perhaps I'll write more later.

 

[Deborah13]

I meant that at the time the Jerusalem council met in Acts 15, there were no churches (buildings). They met in synagogues on Sabbath and in homes throughout the week.

Jas 2:1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Master Yeshua Messiah, the Master of glory, with respect of persons.
Jas 2:2 For if there come unto your assembly (Greek - sunagoge) a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;​

In context knowing that James was speaking to a group of Messianic Jews, I would say that they, being Jews probably still went to hear the reading of the Torah and the Prophets just as they had before. I think I probably would have done that if I were one of them. We know that there were discussions about the writings at their assemblies as well. I would not have wanted to give that up. We know the Messiah went to the synagogue and Paul to instruct and to show the Messiah written in the prophets. I also think James may have been referring to a specific assembly that took place in the synagogue. If we read on he mentions ...
Jas 2:6 and ye did dishonour the poor one; do not the rich oppress you and themselves draw you to judgment-seats;
Jas 2:7 do they not themselves speak evil of the good name that was called upon you?
It seems he may be referring to a courtroom situation. We know the Jews settled criminal and civil cases in the synagogues before the Sandrium (I think it was them). So I would think this would have still been the case in a circumstance with another Jew who was not a convert.

Now I know why I did not understand you. Paul was not the speaker in Acts 15:20. It was James. Why would the Gentiles need those things if the law was abolished? Three of those things are OT dietary laws.

Sorry again for my confusing you, yes James was speaker and I appreciate your making that clear, it's important.
YLT
Act 15:28 `For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, no more burden to lay upon you, except these necessary things:
Act 15:29 to abstain from things offered to idols, and blood, and a strangled thing, and whoredom; from which keeping yourselves, ye shall do well; be strong!'

James says, these are the necessary things. Yes, these same things were said to the chosen people before the cross and they are still the necessary things for the chosen people after the cross.
Fornication is a given for all YHVH's people. Which actually is a type of idolatry.
If we were eating things offered to pagan idols we would be worshiping false gods rather than the one true God. Also a given for all YHVH's people.
The blood commandment goes all the way back to Noah, in Genesis 9.
YLT
Gen 9:3 Every creeping thing that is alive, to you it is for food; as the green herb I have given to you the whole;
Gen 9:4 only flesh in its life--its blood--ye do not eat.
Gen 9:5 `And only your blood for your lives do I require; from the hand of every living thing I require it, and from the hand of man, from the hand of every man's brother I require the life of man;

The blood is only for atonement and should not be considered a common thing or the same as the flesh. It is the life of all flesh. Animal blood in the OT as a shadow of the blood of Christ for remission of sin. And not to be eaten or offered to false pagan gods.

Strangulation would cause much suffering to the beast and here again is the blood not being let.
There were several practices among the pagans that are spoken of in the OT. They were told not to cut themselves when in mourning as the pagans did.

I think all these things had to do with idolatrous practices that many of the gentiles had been involved in. I think Genesis 9:4, is the best explanation about the blood.

That is the best that I can understand it. Maybe you can add to that understanding.

 

[JLB]

The Law was added temporarily to the Covenant with Abraham.

What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. Galatians 3:19

Added, meaning it was a part of something greater.

Till, meaning it was temporary.

God's Law, however is eternal.

Abraham learned of His ways, His precepts and laws by walking in His presence.

... because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws." Genesis 26:5

Abraham first obeyed the voice of God to leave his land and go to a land that God would show Him.

Now the Lord had said to Abram: "Get out of your country, From your family And from your father's house, To a land that I will show you. Genesis 12:1

Without obeying this first, He never would hear the words -

1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, "I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. 2 And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly." Genesis 17:1-2

Walk in the Spirit and you will not fulfill the lust's of the flesh.

The law of Moses make no provision for dealing with the lust of the flesh.

We are to walk in the newness of The Spirit.

But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. 1 John 1:7

Notice here that it doesn't say -

Keep the Law of Moses...That's because it is by the Spirit of Grace we can walk in the Light and it is by His Grace we are cleansed of all sin.

Not sin atoned for, but cleansed!

No Law of Moses anywhere in that scenario.


JLB

 

[jocor]

so you speak biblical Hebrew? I don't and neither do I speak modern Hebrew.

I do not speak Hebrew, but one does not need to speak the entire language in order to say one name.

 

[jocor]

that is why in part Is stay away from messianic judiasm. I know of a jew who left the lord and came back. what if she died in that state?

She left the lord because she became a messianic?

its a whole different world in jewry when they do that then even messianic Judaism.

When they do what?

 

[jasonc]

She left the lord because she became a messianic?



When they do what?

she was raised a messianic jew and went to full Judaism, all for the same reasons as I listed. she was raised to love jews, she returned to the lord, and is kosher/vegan. but as I said this isn't uncommon. jews live together in a community. ever heard of the jewish commuites in: Miami, new York city, Chicago, savannah? family sticks together. it makes being kosher easier and aslo ones doesn't have to worry about the outside influence as much with the way they do it. can and do Christians do this? somewhat but most Christians in America don't and wont. its strange to us.and im not saying we should. just telling you of what the draw is and why.

 

[jocor]

YLT
Act 15:28 `For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, no more burden to lay upon you, except these necessary things:
Act 15:29 to abstain from things offered to idols, and blood, and a strangled thing, and whoredom; from which keeping yourselves, ye shall do well; be strong!'

James says, these are the necessary things. Yes, these same things were said to the chosen people before the cross and they are still the necessary things for the chosen people after the cross.

Surely you understand that there were many other "necessary things" that Gentiles had to learn over time. Those things were "necessary" in order for Jews and Gentiles to worship/fellowship together. However, things like loving YHWH, loving one's neighbor, obeying the Ten Commandments or at least the other eight, etc., were equally, if not more, important than those things. The Gentiles would eventually learn those other things as they heard Torah read every Sabbath.

Fornication is a given for all YHVH's people. Which actually is a type of idolatry.
If we were eating things offered to pagan idols we would be worshiping false gods rather than the one true God. Also a given for all YHVH's people.
The blood commandment goes all the way back to Noah, in Genesis 9.
YLT
Gen 9:3 Every creeping thing that is alive, to you it is for food; as the green herb I have given to you the whole;
Gen 9:4 only flesh in its life--its blood--ye do not eat.
Gen 9:5 `And only your blood for your lives do I require; from the hand of every living thing I require it, and from the hand of man, from the hand of every man's brother I require the life of man;

The blood is only for atonement and should not be considered a common thing or the same as the flesh. It is the life of all flesh. Animal blood in the OT as a shadow of the blood of Christ for remission of sin. And not to be eaten or offered to false pagan gods.

Strangulation would cause much suffering to the beast and here again is the blood not being let.
There were several practices among the pagans that are spoken of in the OT. They were told not to cut themselves when in mourning as the pagans did.

I think all these things had to do with idolatrous practices that many of the gentiles had been involved in. I think Genesis 9:4, is the best explanation about the blood.

That is the best that I can understand it. Maybe you can add to that understanding.

I agree with everything above.

 

[jocor]

Walk in the Spirit and you will not fulfill the lust's of the flesh.

The law of Moses make no provision for dealing with the lust of the flesh.

The law of Moses defines what walking in the flesh is:
Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft,
murders, drunkenness, etc.

We are to walk in the newness of The Spirit.

But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. 1 John 1:7

Notice here that it doesn't say -

Keep the Law of Moses...That's because it is by the Spirit of Grace we can walk in the Light and it is by His Grace we are cleansed of all sin.

Not sin atoned for, but cleansed!

No Law of Moses anywhere in that scenario.

JLB

The Law defines sin. It gives us the knowledge of sin. There is no sin without the Law. Therefore, when we confess our sins to be cleansed of them, we are confessing that we broke the Law. The fact that sin exists means the Law of Moses is everywhere in your scenario.

 

[jocor]

she was raised a messianic jew and went to full Judaism, all for the same reasons as I listed. she was raised to love jews, she returned to the lord, and is kosher/vegan. but as I said this isn't uncommon. jews live together in a community. ever heard of the jewish commuites in: Miami, new York city, Chicago, savannah? family sticks together. it makes being kosher easier and aslo ones doesn't have to worry about the outside influence as much with the way they do it. can and do Christians do this? somewhat but most Christians in America don't and wont. its strange to us.and im not saying we should. just telling you of what the draw is and why.

I am well aware of Jewish life, communities, shuls, eating kosher, Jewish traditions, family cohesiveness, etc. I can see why it would be alluring, but certainly not worth leaving Messiah for.

 

[jasonc]

I am well aware of Jewish life, communities, shuls, eating kosher, Jewish traditions, family cohesiveness, etc. I can see why it would be alluring, but certainly not worth leaving Messiah for.

you again aren't a Hebrew, being one in acts is one thing, but another when god calls you says its to you. as is the case with me and my brother and the one who left(and her entire family). they didn't know until recently there were jews and always felt that way.

it shouldn't be that way but Christians are so divorced from what community in Christ is that we do church instead being the church. chew on that.im not saying that I don't do that. but its what im must resist and avoid. at times I feel it when I read and post Chassidic articles here or to read them.

 

[jocor]

Strong's Number: 03091 - Joshua - Y@howshuwa`

8] For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. Hebrews 4:8 - KJV

8] For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. Hebrews 4:8 – nkjv

YeHoWsHuwa = Jesus

You obviously don't understand the Hebrew of that name. The last H in your YeHoWsHuwa is not the last H in YHWH, but part of the 'sh' of the letter shin. "Yehowshuwa" is simply a phonetic spelling of "Yehoshua". You also do not have a vowel sound for the waw, just W.

 

[jocor]

you again aren't a Hebrew, being one in acts is one thing, but another when god calls you says its to you. as is the case with me and my brother and the one who left(and her entire family). they didn't know until recently there were jews and always felt that way.

it shouldn't be that way but Christians are so divorced from what community in Christ is that we do church instead being the church. chew on that.im not saying that I don't do that. but its what im must resist and avoid. at times I feel it when I read and post Chassidic articles here or to read them.

How do you know I'm not a Hebrew or that I am a Gentile?

 

[jasonc]

How do you know I'm not a Hebrew or that I am a Gentile?

because no HEBREW would call the vav the waw in English. the heshem is pronounced in vowels by yod, hey, vah(or vav) hey. I have looked up most of the meanings of the letters in modern Hebrew via chabad.org and also other sources both call it the vav or vah. not the waw. because to an English speaker the ws will make that sound like waw. as in a wall with the w sound in the end.

and no Hebrew raised in the temple would say the name. if you are a Hebrew that is raised and bar mitzvahed and arguing for the torah you would be going to back instinctively what you learned first. I didn't need to be a jew to know the Yahweh was viewed as the name by some. the Jehovah's witnessed said that jews say that name that way. which from reading they don't. they say something else, either the Heshem, or adonai, Infinite.

I read jewish stuff from time to time. the torah is what is first taught. I find it most unusal that a bar mitzvahed Hebrew would disagree with his rabbi in his torah then later become a Christian and then say that. unless he was a rabbi then got saved.

I have heard how the consonants are pronounced by a Hebrew in my national guard unit and she was an orthodox jew!

 

[jocor]

Romans 14 (Good Jewish author)
Gives each person the liberality to choose their sabbath and food. Some do things as unto The Lord; others refrain from things as unto The Lord. God actually accepts us where we are.
Romans 14:5
Let every man be persuaded in his own mind.
Romans 14:17
Seems to imply that righteousness is not bound up in food or drink, but righteousness , and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

The one new man of Ephesians 2 does not lay stumbling blocks in a brothers way. We are one in Christ. The middle wall is broken down. Climbing across the rubble is hard, but we are well able to not judge each other (pile up rubble to trip some).

Be established in your mind and go for the prize of the high calling in Christ Jesus. Choose your day in faith.

eddif

Romans 14 does no such thing. It is not about the liberality to eat unclean meat, but to not offend a brother who is a vegetarian. It is not about the liberality to choose a Sabbath day and totally neglect the 7th day. I posted on this earlier.

The broken down middle wall in Ephesians 2 is NOT the Law / Torah. It is referring to man-made dogma/rules.

 

[jocor]

because no HEBREW would call the vav the waw in English. the heshem is pronounced in vowels by yod, hey, vah(or vav) hey. I have looked up most of the meanings of the letters in modern Hebrew via chabad.org and also other sources both call it the vav or vah. not the waw. because to an English speaker the ws will make that sound like waw. as in a wall with the w sound in the end.

and no Hebrew raised in the temple would say the name. if you are a Hebrew that is raised and bar mitzvahed and arguing for the torah you would be going to back instinctively what you learned first. I didn't need to be a jew to know the Yahweh was viewed as the name by some. the Jehovah's witnessed said that jews say that name that way. which from reading they don't. they say something else, either the Heshem, or adonai, Infinite.

I read jewish stuff from time to time. the torah is what is first taught. I find it most unusal that a bar mitzvahed Hebrew would disagree with his rabbi in his torah then later become a Christian and then say that. unless he was a rabbi then got saved.

I have heard how the consonants are pronounced by a Hebrew in my national guard unit and she was an orthodox jew!

The Sephardic pronunciation is waw. The Ashkenazic pronunciation is vav. A Hebrew who accepted Yeshua and is led by the Holy Spirit would forsake Jewish traditions that cause people to break the commandments. They would not use HaShem because it transgresses Deuteronomy 4:2. And yes, the consonant is pronounced vav, but the vowel is pronounced waw.

 

[jasonc]

The Sephardic pronunciation is waw. The Ashkenazic pronunciation is vav. A Hebrew who accepted Yeshua and is led by the Holy Spirit would forsake Jewish traditions that cause people to break the commandments. They would not use HaShem because it transgresses Deuteronomy 4:2. And yes, the consonant is pronounced vav, but the vowel is pronounced waw.

the I know that there is a shephardic difference but never in the name. that would have been made known to THE CHASSIDICS. THEY MENTION THEM. they wouldn't use heshem? so all those messianics that disagree aren't in the spirit?

this site says nothing on the consenants being different.

http://www.jewfaq.org/alephbet.htm

Vav, usually a consonant pronounced as a "v," is sometimes a vowel pronounced "oo" as in "food" (transliterated "oo" or "u") or "oh" as in "Oh!" (transliterated "o"). When it is pronounced "oo," pointed texts have a dagesh (though sometimes, Vav with a dagesh is pronounced "v"). When it is pronounced "oh," pointed texts have a dot on top (though sometimes, Vav with a dot on top is pronounced "vo").

im not an expert on Hebrew but I don't see the waw in here from your claim. they mention this later

Illustration 1 is an example of pointed text. Nikkud are shown in blue for emphasis (they would normally be the same color as the consonants). In Sephardic pronunciation (which is what most people use today), this line would be pronounced: V'ahavtah l'reyahkhah kamokhah. (And you shall love your neighbor as yourself. Leviticus 19:18).

jewfaq is a legit and useful site. I could also check, chabad.org or aish. com. but if what you say Is true then chabad will have something. but if need be I can look there as well.

and it mentions the separdic jews and the one orthodox jew I mentioned was also part separdic and askenazic. she didn't have that accent as far as I can tell with her pronucation of it. YUD Hey, Vah Hey

 

[jocor]

Vav, usually a consonant pronounced as a "v," is sometimes a vowel pronounced "oo" as in "food" (transliterated "oo" or "u") or "oh" as in "Oh!" (transliterated "o"). When it is pronounced "oo," pointed texts have a dagesh (though sometimes, Vav with a dagesh is pronounced "v"). When it is pronounced "oh," pointed texts have a dot on top (though sometimes, Vav with a dot on top is pronounced "vo").

This is exactly how I said the vowel waw should be pronounced in the name. ee ah oo eh

 

[JLB]

You obviously don't understand the Hebrew of that name. The last H in your YeHoWsHuwa is not the last H in YHWH, but part of the 'sh' of the letter shin. "Yehowshuwa" is simply a phonetic spelling of "Yehoshua". You also do not have a vowel sound for the waw, just W.

This is The Lord's Name in the Old Testament -

YHWH.

Jesus is the Name of the Lord.

Jesus is YHWH !

The law of Moses defines what walking in the flesh is:
Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft,
murders, drunkenness, etc.




The Law defines sin. It gives us the knowledge of sin. There is no sin without the Law. Therefore, when we confess our sins to be cleansed of them, we are confessing that we broke the Law. The fact that sin exists means the Law of Moses is everywhere in your scenario.

The law of Moses has nothing to do with cleansing us from sin!

The law of Moses has nothing to do with taking away our sin!


For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins. Hebrews 10:4 NKJV


And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 1 John 3:5 NKJV


The New Covenant has nothing to do with the law of Moses! Nothing!


JLB