Power over sin by the Spirit of Grace

[Elijah674]

There is a picture of what one will be doing in Isa. 66:22-23...
[22] For as the [[new heavens and the new earth,]] which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
[23] And [[it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another,]] and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

--Elijah

PS: Notice that most will not be there.

 

[George Muller]

Well TOG I know you can see the example of circumcision? That according to the written code, that it is a physical act, but in truth that commandment was but a "picture' a "type" of that which was to come 'in the Spirit' The 'sabbath' is fulfilled just as I showed you, when we have entered into the rest of God, that is the true Sabbath and the written code was a "type-shadow" just as one can see in circumcision. So yes "love" fulfills ALL- Consider this scripture; for God would have me to ask you to meditate upon its true meaning; 1Jo 4:17 ¶ Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. 18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 19 We love him, because he first loved us. Here is your "rest" my friend- enter into it by faith

Thank you. I will meditate on that verse. But you still haven't answered my question. Will a person who is walking according to the Spirit refrain from working on the seventh day and from asking others to do so?

The TOG
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Again your looking past the point I have tried to make, The Sabbath is not a "day" as in a 24 hour day, it is the "eternal day of rest"
Now I have posted two points of scriptures one as it relates to the law as a "type-shadow" and fulfillment in the Spirit. I have posted Heb 4 and shown that it relates the Sabbath to entering the "rest" of God, through faith. Now we can discuss how either one of these relate to the fulfillment of what was written. But in that I have made clear and honest points that are based solid and true on Gods Word, I require an honest response on your part to accept that you seek to know the truth of how the law is fulfilled in love- ALL . So you asked, and I explained. As I said, the scripture itself defends "love" alone as the fulfillment of the law, and need not to explain but desired to help you understand as one who seeks the truth. I hope my attempt was not in vain, but that you would reason the truth of the scriptures, according to an honest and sincere heart.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Causing the strange in the gates to work on the Sabbath?

Does this mean I don't have to..........nevermind.

 

[George Muller]

This is what it means to walk in the Spirit:

"22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other." (Galatians 5: NASB

Yes and I rejoice that these things abound in my life according to the riches of His Grace.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

First lets establish that I did not write that "love" fulfills ALL the law

I didn't say you did. What you wrote was:

No one walking in the Spirit will intentionally break any commandment of God

And what I asked was whether "any commandment" included the Sabbath command as it is in the Ten Commandments:

Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. (Ex. 20:8-10 ESV)
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You didn't actually answer that question, so let me ask it again. When you say that "no one walking by the Spirit will intentionally break any commandment of God", Does that mean that they will not intentionally do any work on the seventh day, nor ask their children or servants or others to do so?

The TOG
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Well TOG I know you can see the example of circumcision? That according to the written code, that it is a physical act, but in truth that commandment was but a "picture' a "type" of that which was to come 'in the Spirit' The 'sabbath' is fulfilled just as I showed you, when we have entered into the rest of God, that is the true Sabbath and the written code was a "type-shadow" just as one can see in circumcision. So yes "love" fulfills ALL- Consider this scripture; for God would have me to ask you to meditate upon its true meaning;

1Jo 4:17 ¶ Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
19 We love him, because he first loved us.

Here is your "rest" my friend- enter into it by faith

The problem we non literal ceremonial law keepers have is deciding that everybody that keeps the literal observances is categorically and without exception doing it not of faith, but of works and trying to be justified by those observances. At best that's just being plain unfair. At worse, it's being judgmental.

That's like saying everybody who keeps the commandment 'do not murder' is doing that, categorically and without exception, because they are trying to be justified by that effort.

Let God judge who is, and who isn't keeping God's commandments because they have faith in Jesus Christ and are relying on the justification that comes by his blood.

 

[Elijah674]

Well TOG I know you can see the example of circumcision? That according to the written code, that it is a physical act, but in truth that commandment was but a "picture' a "type" of that which was to come 'in the Spirit' The 'sabbath' is fulfilled just as I showed you, when we have entered into the rest of God, that is the true Sabbath and the written code was a "type-shadow" just as one can see in circumcision. So yes "love" fulfills ALL- Consider this scripture; for God would have me to ask you to meditate upon its true meaning; 1Jo 4:17 ¶ Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. 18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 19 We love him, because he first loved us. Here is your "rest" my friend- enter into it by faith

Thank you. I will meditate on that verse. But you still haven't answered my question. Will a person who is walking according to the Spirit refrain from working on the seventh day and from asking others to do so?

The TOG
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Again your looking past the point I have tried to make, The Sabbath is not a "day" as in a 24 hour day, it is the "eternal day of rest"
Now I have posted two points of scriptures one as it relates to the law as a "type-shadow" and fulfillment in the Spirit. I have posted Heb 4 and shown that it relates the Sabbath to entering the "rest" of God, through faith. Now we can discuss how either one of these relate to the fulfillment of what was written. But in that I have made clear and honest points that are based solid and true on Gods Word, I require an honest response on your part to accept that you seek to know the truth of how the law is fulfilled in love- ALL . So you asked, and I explained. As I said, the scripture itself defends "love" alone as the fulfillment of the law, and need not to explain but desired to help you understand as one who seeks the truth. I hope my attempt was not in vain, but that you would reason the truth of the scriptures, according to an honest and sincere heart.

So you are disagreeing with the Holy Spirits Inspiration of post 41.
Again: This is a very false posting! (along with other deceptions)

--Elijah

 

[TOG]

Again your looking past the point I have tried to make, The Sabbath is not a "day" as in a 24 hour day, it is the "eternal day of rest"

Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. (Ex. 20:8-10)

Work for six days and rest on the seventh. Sounds like a week to me. Last time I checked, a week was made up of seven days, each being 24 hours in duration. But if you have a hard time understanding the plain meaning of these words, let's try something else.

And the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying to them, “Speak to the people of Israel, saying, These are the living things that you may eat among all the animals that are on the earth. Whatever parts the hoof and is cloven-footed and chews the cud, among the animals, you may eat. Nevertheless, among those that chew the cud or part the hoof, you shall not eat these:... And the pig, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. You shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall not touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you. (Lev. 11:1-4, 7-8)
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When you say that "no one walking in the Spirit will intentionally break any commandment of God", does that mean that a believer walking by the Spirit will avoid eating pork?

The TOG
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[TOG]

The problem we non literal ceremonial law keepers have...

Just when I thought I had you figured out, you say this. What exactly is a "non literal ceremonial law keeper"?

The TOG
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[reba]

The problem we non literal ceremonial law keepers have is deciding that everybody that keeps the literal observances is categorically and without exception doing it not of faith, but of works and trying to be justified by those observances. At best that's just being plain unfair. At worse, it's being judgmental.

That's like saying everybody who keeps the commandment 'do not murder' is doing that, categorically and without exception, because they are trying to be justified by that effort.

Let God judge who is, and who isn't keeping God's commandments because they have faith in Jesus Christ and are relying on the justification that comes by his blood.

Amen Jethro amen well said

 

[TOG]

Causing the strange in the gates to work on the Sabbath?

Does this mean I don't have to..........nevermind.

Today's the Sabbath. I think she's implying that we're making her work as a moderator. She would have a point, except...

1. She's not a stranger (at least, she's no stranger than I am)
2. She's not within my gates. Or... (TOG looks around suspiciously)... No... She's not within my gates.
3. Moderation isn't work, it's... er... uh... moderation. It's like being a... um... peacemaker... yes, that's it. She's a peacemaker, just like Jesus told us to be.

All kidding aside, maybe she really does have a point.

The TOG

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[George Muller]

I didn't say you did. What you wrote was:

And what I asked was whether "any commandment" included the Sabbath command as it is in the Ten Commandments:

Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. (Ex. 20:8-10 ESV)
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You didn't actually answer that question, so let me ask it again. When you say that "no one walking by the Spirit will intentionally break any commandment of God", Does that mean that they will not intentionally do any work on the seventh day, nor ask their children or servants or others to do so?

The TOG
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Well TOG I know you can see the example of circumcision? That according to the written code, that it is a physical act, but in truth that commandment was but a "picture' a "type" of that which was to come 'in the Spirit' The 'sabbath' is fulfilled just as I showed you, when we have entered into the rest of God, that is the true Sabbath and the written code was a "type-shadow" just as one can see in circumcision. So yes "love" fulfills ALL- Consider this scripture; for God would have me to ask you to meditate upon its true meaning;

1Jo 4:17 ¶ Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
19 We love him, because he first loved us.

Here is your "rest" my friend- enter into it by faith

The problem we non literal ceremonial law keepers have is deciding that everybody that keeps the literal observances is categorically and without exception doing it not of faith, but of works and trying to be justified by those observances. At best that's just being plain unfair. At worse, it's being judgmental.

That's like saying everybody who keeps the commandment 'do not murder' is doing that, categorically and without exception, because they are trying to be justified by that effort.

Let God judge who is, and who isn't keeping God's commandments because they have faith in Jesus Christ and are relying on the justification that comes by his blood.

Well here is your error, most people do not murder in action, but murder is in the heart of all men, and the heart is that which must be purified by the Spirit of God. So if one says they "do not murder" they are not justified before God, only when the Spirit of God works Gods love in the heart of a believer is the fulfillment of the all the law. So if some obey this or that part of the law, it means nothing and it is but "dung" before God. His righteousness is the standard that is required and that is ONLY through faith and the Spirit of God.

 

[George Muller]

Well TOG I know you can see the example of circumcision? That according to the written code, that it is a physical act, but in truth that commandment was but a "picture' a "type" of that which was to come 'in the Spirit' The 'sabbath' is fulfilled just as I showed you, when we have entered into the rest of God, that is the true Sabbath and the written code was a "type-shadow" just as one can see in circumcision. So yes "love" fulfills ALL- Consider this scripture; for God would have me to ask you to meditate upon its true meaning; 1Jo 4:17 ¶ Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. 18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 19 We love him, because he first loved us. Here is your "rest" my friend- enter into it by faith

Thank you. I will meditate on that verse. But you still haven't answered my question. Will a person who is walking according to the Spirit refrain from working on the seventh day and from asking others to do so?

The TOG
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Again your looking past the point I have tried to make, The Sabbath is not a "day" as in a 24 hour day, it is the "eternal day of rest"
Now I have posted two points of scriptures one as it relates to the law as a "type-shadow" and fulfillment in the Spirit. I have posted Heb 4 and shown that it relates the Sabbath to entering the "rest" of God, through faith. Now we can discuss how either one of these relate to the fulfillment of what was written. But in that I have made clear and honest points that are based solid and true on Gods Word, I require an honest response on your part to accept that you seek to know the truth of how the law is fulfilled in love- ALL . So you asked, and I explained. As I said, the scripture itself defends "love" alone as the fulfillment of the law, and need not to explain but desired to help you understand as one who seeks the truth. I hope my attempt was not in vain, but that you would reason the truth of the scriptures, according to an honest and sincere heart.

So you are disagreeing with the Holy Spirits Inspiration of post 41.
Again: This is a very false posting! (along with other deceptions)

--Elijah

Sorry I did not see the Holy Spirit post anything but what is written in the Word of God, and that is subject to the honesty of a mans heart, those who claim to keep to the written code of the law are not honest and are in great error, in that they reject Gods righteousness and go about to establish their own.

Ro 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

 

[George Muller]

Again your looking past the point I have tried to make, The Sabbath is not a "day" as in a 24 hour day, it is the "eternal day of rest"

Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. (Ex. 20:8-10)

Work for six days and rest on the seventh. Sounds like a week to me. Last time I checked, a week was made up of seven days, each being 24 hours in duration. But if you have a hard time understanding the plain meaning of these words, let's try something else.

And the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying to them, “Speak to the people of Israel, saying, These are the living things that you may eat among all the animals that are on the earth. Whatever parts the hoof and is cloven-footed and chews the cud, among the animals, you may eat. Nevertheless, among those that chew the cud or part the hoof, you shall not eat these:... And the pig, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. You shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall not touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you. (Lev. 11:1-4, 7-8)
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When you say that "no one walking in the Spirit will intentionally break any commandment of God", does that mean that a believer walking by the Spirit will avoid eating pork?

The TOG
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I see you have no desire to discuss this in a honest way and consider the truth of the New Testament, Love fulfills all the law-period if a believer walks in the Love of God they are keeping the Sabbath, whether you can accept that or not, makes no difference, God has declared it.
Ro 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


Ga 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

 

[reba]

[MENTION=96759]TOG[/MENTION]

 

[Elijah674]

Again your looking past the point I have tried to make, The Sabbath is not a "day" as in a 24 hour day, it is the "eternal day of rest"
Now I have posted two points of scriptures one as it relates to the law as a "type-shadow" and fulfillment in the Spirit. I have posted Heb 4 and shown that it relates the Sabbath to entering the "rest" of God, through faith. Now we can discuss how either one of these relate to the fulfillment of what was written. But in that I have made clear and honest points that are based solid and true on Gods Word, I require an honest response on your part to accept that you seek to know the truth of how the law is fulfilled in love- ALL . So you asked, and I explained. As I said, the scripture itself defends "love" alone as the fulfillment of the law, and need not to explain but desired to help you understand as one who seeks the truth. I hope my attempt was not in vain, but that you would reason the truth of the scriptures, according to an honest and sincere heart.

So you are disagreeing with the Holy Spirits Inspiration of post 41.
Again: This is a very false posting! (along with other deceptions)

--Elijah

Sorry I did not see the Holy Spirit post anything but what is written in the Word of God, and that is subject to the honesty of a mans heart, those who claim to keep to the written code of the law are not honest and are in great error, in that they reject Gods righteousness and go about to establish their own.

Ro 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Sounds like Titus 3:8-11
Perhaps I will just let it hang there.

[8] This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

[9] But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

--Elijah

PS: And the question about the Holy Spirit Words? In post 41 ...and vain.

 

[George Muller]

Again your looking past the point I have tried to make, The Sabbath is not a "day" as in a 24 hour day, it is the "eternal day of rest"
Now I have posted two points of scriptures one as it relates to the law as a "type-shadow" and fulfillment in the Spirit. I have posted Heb 4 and shown that it relates the Sabbath to entering the "rest" of God, through faith. Now we can discuss how either one of these relate to the fulfillment of what was written. But in that I have made clear and honest points that are based solid and true on Gods Word, I require an honest response on your part to accept that you seek to know the truth of how the law is fulfilled in love- ALL . So you asked, and I explained. As I said, the scripture itself defends "love" alone as the fulfillment of the law, and need not to explain but desired to help you understand as one who seeks the truth. I hope my attempt was not in vain, but that you would reason the truth of the scriptures, according to an honest and sincere heart.

So you are disagreeing with the Holy Spirits Inspiration of post 41.
Again: This is a very false posting! (along with other deceptions)

--Elijah

Sorry I did not see the Holy Spirit post anything but what is written in the Word of God, and that is subject to the honesty of a mans heart, those who claim to keep to the written code of the law are not honest and are in great error, in that they reject Gods righteousness and go about to establish their own.

Ro 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Sounds like Titus 3:8-11
Perhaps I will just let it hang there.

[8] This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

[9] But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

--Elijah

PS: And the question about the Holy Spirit Words? In post 41 ...and vain.

Yes it is the grace of God that teaches believers to live godly, and those who promote the law are just promoting vain and unprofitable doctrine. I agree-:yes

 

[Jethro Bodine]

The problem we non literal ceremonial law keepers have...

Just when I thought I had you figured out, you say this. What exactly is a "non literal ceremonial law keeper"?

The TOG
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What I mean is just what George is telling you (what I taught him).

All commandments are satisfied when we have faith and are careful to love others (do them no harm--Romans 13:10). The requirements of some commandments are literally satisfied by our faith working through love. While the requirements of other commandments are satisfied by our faith working through love, but not according to their literal Mosaic fulfillment, but fulfilled nevertheless--to God's complete and total satisfaction.

Circumcision and animal sacrifice for sin are good examples of that. They get fulfilled through faith in Christ, but fulfilled in the non-literal way God intended all along. Circumcision of the heart, and Christ's sacrifice for sin (not an animal) being the true, what we call 'spiritual' fulfillment of those two examples.

But don't worry. I'm still your friend. I don't bludgeon literal ceremonial law keepers with lengthy treatises, done in love of course, about how their law keeping means they're trying to be justified by works and not faith. I don't know that. I can't know that unless you came right out and told me you are doing it to earn your justification before God. So I do what Paul said and don't judge others according to Holy Days, Festivals, New Moons, etc. Nor do I let others judge me according to those.

 

[TOG]

Again your looking past the point I have tried to make, The Sabbath is not a "day" as in a 24 hour day, it is the "eternal day of rest"

Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. (Ex. 20:8-10)

Work for six days and rest on the seventh. Sounds like a week to me. Last time I checked, a week was made up of seven days, each being 24 hours in duration. But if you have a hard time understanding the plain meaning of these words, let's try something else.

And the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying to them, “Speak to the people of Israel, saying, These are the living things that you may eat among all the animals that are on the earth. Whatever parts the hoof and is cloven-footed and chews the cud, among the animals, you may eat. Nevertheless, among those that chew the cud or part the hoof, you shall not eat these:... And the pig, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. You shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall not touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you. (Lev. 11:1-4, 7-8)
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When you say that "no one walking in the Spirit will intentionally break any commandment of God", does that mean that a believer walking by the Spirit will avoid eating pork?

The TOG
​

I see you have no desire to discuss this in a honest way and consider the truth of the New Testament, Love fulfills all the law-period if a believer walks in the Love of God they are keeping the Sabbath, whether you can accept that or not, makes no difference, God has declared it.
Ro 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


Ga 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Still no answer...

 

[Elijah674]

The problem we non literal ceremonial law keepers have...

Just when I thought I had you figured out, you say this. What exactly is a "non literal ceremonial law keeper"?

The TOG
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What I mean is just what George is telling you (what I taught him).

All commandments are satisfied when we have faith and are careful to love others (do them no harm--Romans 13:10). The requirements of some commandments are literally satisfied by our faith working through love. While the requirements of other commandments are satisfied by our faith working through love, but not according to their literal Mosaic fulfillment, but fulfilled nevertheless--to God's complete and total satisfaction.

Circumcision and animal sacrifice for sin are good examples of that. They get fulfilled through faith in Christ, but fulfilled in the non-literal way God intended all along. Circumcision of the heart, and Christ's sacrifice for sin (not an animal) being the true, what we call 'spiritual' fulfillment of those two examples.

But don't worry. I'm still your friend. I don't bludgeon literal ceremonial law keepers with lengthy treatises, done in love of course, about how their law keeping means they're trying to be justified by works and not faith. I don't know that. I can't know that unless you came right out and told me you are doing it to earn your justification before God. So I do what Paul said and don't judge others according to Holy Days, Festivals, New Moons, etc. Nor do I let others judge me according to those.

But that was the ceremonial laws! Not the 7th day Sabbath that we will be keeping for all of eternity.
Isa. 66 (with even days being separated)

[22] For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
[23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and [[[from one sabbath to another]]], shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

And here I had thought that you finally were convicted of this?

--Elijah

 

[Jethro Bodine]

So if one says they "do not murder" they are not justified before God, only when the Spirit of God works Gods love in the heart of a believer is the fulfillment of the all the law.

But the Spirit working love in a person's life doesn't justify either, George. So what's your point about judging people who know what the law says and then seek to uphold it by the Spirit of God working in their lives to bring them to that obedience?

How is it that you are able to judge the motives of people who know what the law says and then want to uphold it that they are always doing that, categorically and without exception, because they are trying to be justified by that work?