Under the Law - what does it mean?

[John 8:32]

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Jesus made a clear distinction between the commandments in Moses writings and His Commanments.


46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"

So we see yet again, that the "law keepers" mistakenly assume the "writings of Moses" are what Jesus referred to as His Commandments.


JLB

So the same Jesus Christ who spoke His Commandments on Mt Sinai changed His mind? He decided that the Ten Commandments that HE gave at Sinai were all a colossal mistake and decided to do away with them?

I am awaiting with bated breath for you to explain this.

 

[Joe Domingo]

There are some who are blind here and some who are not.

Only time will tell in each one's life where they will end up.

I for one believe and know that the Ten Commandments are God's divine Law for mankind to live by, and I will do just that, there is not a single human being in this world that can cause me to change my mind about it. And I have no interest and trying to convince anyone else about keeping them. To each his own, as in the days of the judges.

Anyone separating and dividing the Ten Commandments only deceives themselves. Those here who abide in all ten of them know that and will not change their convictions.

I am more than glad to be guilty of this statement.

There will be no retraction.

 

[John 8:32]

There are some who are blind here and some who are not.

Only time will tell in each one's life where they will end up.

I for one believe and know that the Ten Commandments are God's divine Law for mankind to live by, and I will do just that, there is not a single human being in this world that can cause me to change my mind about it. And I have no interest and trying to convince anyone else about keeping them. To each his own, as in the days of the judges.

Anyone separating and dividing the Ten Commandments only deceives themselves. Those here who abide in all ten of them know that and will not change their convictions.

I am more than glad to be guilty of this statement.

There will be no retraction.

And on this we are in lockstep. This always makes me think of three fellows who would not compromise...

Dan 3:16 Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, answered and said to the king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer thee in this matter.
Dan 3:17 If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king.
Dan 3:18 But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.

And I am also willing to put my money where my mouth is. Part of the baptismal covenant or agreement I made with God is that I will follow You and obey You, if it costs me my life.

 

[Deborah13]

So the same Jesus Christ who spoke His Commandments on Mt Sinai changed His mind?

Leviticus 18:19
Also thou shalt not approach unto a woman to uncover her nakedness, as long as she is put apart for her uncleanness.
Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;

What was it that was an unclean thing on those filthy rags but our own blood, human blood, human works........rather than the Blood of the Lamb.

The Law had spiritual reasons behind it. They were shadows and types of Christ and His work on the cross. They were the outward doings.

The Royal Law of Love, as James calls it, fulfills the Law of Moses. Which is the inward doings, that make the outward doings holy. Not the other way around.

 

[John 8:32]

So the same Jesus Christ who spoke His Commandments on Mt Sinai changed His mind?

Leviticus 18:19
Also thou shalt not approach unto a woman to uncover her nakedness, as long as she is put apart for her uncleanness.
Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;

What was it that was an unclean thing on those filthy rags but our own blood, human blood, human works........rather than the Blood of the Lamb.

The Law had spiritual reasons behind it. They were shadows and types of Christ and His work on the cross. They were the outward doings.

The Royal Law of Love, as James calls it, fulfills the Law of Moses. Which is the inward doings, that make the outward doings holy. Not the other way around.

So, obeying the Law from the heart as Christ makes quite plain in Mat 5, 6 and 7 is the fulfilling of the Law? Yes, but explain to me how that does away with "Thou shalt not kill", or any other of the Ten Commandments.

Here we go again...

One hundred lifetimes of one hundred years each of perfectly keeping the Law will not earn eternal life...

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

But willful sin does earn one the wages of sin...

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

 

[JLB]

He decided that the Ten Commandments that HE gave at Sinai were all a colossal mistake and decided to do away with them?

Those are your words, not mine. So you can wait as long as you like.

These are my words -

The ten commandments are God's law that should be obeyed, but were designed for stiff necked, stubborn, lawless people who have to be reminded of what is good and what is evil.

These are Jesus' words -

46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"


This is Moses Law - 'You shall not murder

21 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.' 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, 'Raca!' shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.

This is what Jesus said -

But whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.


Now, if you can show from the 10 Commandments were it says -

whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.

Then I will be inclined to believe that the writings of Moses and what Jesus taught are the same.

The writer of the book of Hebrews teaches us that we are under much greater responsibility than those of Moses Law.


28 Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? Hebrews 10:28-29

Do you know how you insult the Spirit of Grace?

By trying to keep the Law of Moses, after you have been saved by Grace.


JLB

 

[Deborah13]

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

What knowledge of the truth is the whole book of Hebrews pointing to? What was happening here? The Jews were returning to the temple out of fear of persecution maybe and because of Judizers maybe.

So what would be the thing that they would be doing by returning to the temple and temple sacrifices? Trampling on the blood of the Lamb. They would be denying Christ and the whole doctrine of the Gospel. If this were to happen they would no longer have any sacrifice for sin, they would deny it.
Why were these things fading away because the temple would soon be destroyed putting a stop to the blood sacrifices and offerings to the temple.
That covenant was finished, brought to an end.

Now I know how you assume...so don't go assuming I'm saying something I'm not.

Does grace give us a license to sin? Absolutely not!!! Could someone reject Christ and His Gospel? I do not know. But I lean towards no because of all the NT scriptures that you have seen quoted many times. I believe that when we reconcile ourselves to God the Holy Spirit begins to work in our lives and I don't see Jesus as an indian giver or a quitter. I don't think He would have accepted us in the first place if He didn't know our hearts were towards Him, no matter how messed up one may be. His power is greater than man, so if we enter His covenant, I believe He has the power to keep us. Shelah.

 

[George Muller]

The point Paul was making is that the Law defines sin...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Lets continue the truth of this scripture?

Ro 7:7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

Always good to read all the passage to get the clear context.

 

[George Muller]

And I am also willing to put my money where my mouth is. Part of the baptismal covenant or agreement I made with God is that I will follow You and obey You, if it costs me my life.

Ro 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

 

[Joe Domingo]

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the
deeds of the law.

Not for nothing but this sounds like it's in direct contradiction to this Genesis 26:5

And not for nothing but I don't keep the Law to be justified. I keep it because I love God and I know it's the right thing to do. It is his moral code for my life. Did any of us who have argued for keeping the Sabbath or any of the other Commandments ever say in this thread that we are justified by keeping the Law? Go ahead, read the whole thread - I challenge you.

You are taking things out of context as it applies to us.

 

[George Muller]

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the
deeds of the law.

Not for nothing but this sounds like it's in direct contradiction to this Genesis 26:5

And not for nothing but I don't keep the Law to be justified. I keep it because I love God and I know it's the right thing to do. It is his moral code for my life. Did any of us who have argued for keeping the Sabbath or any of the other Commandments ever say in this thread that we are justified by keeping the Law? Go ahead, read the whole thread - I challenge you.

You are taking things out of context as it applies to us.

I have already ask you this once, do you think Abraham was under the law of Moses? And no scripture of the OLD Covenant can be used to overcome the truth of the NEW covenant, written in the Blood of Christ Jesus.
Yes do those good things, fulfill them in love and the Spirit. But the law has passed away for those who are justified by faith in Christ.

Ro 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

 

[John 8:32]

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the
deeds of the law.

Not for nothing but this sounds like it's in direct contradiction to this Genesis 26:5

And not for nothing but I don't keep the Law to be justified. I keep it because I love God and I know it's the right thing to do. It is his moral code for my life. Did any of us who have argued for keeping the Sabbath or any of the other Commandments ever say in this thread that we are justified by keeping the Law? Go ahead, read the whole thread - I challenge you.

You are taking things out of context as it applies to us.

I have already ask you this once, do you think Abraham was under the law of Moses? And no scripture of the OLD Covenant can be used to overcome the truth of the NEW covenant, written in the Blood of Christ Jesus.
Yes do those good things, fulfill them in love and the Spirit. But the law has passed away for those who are justified by faith in Christ.

Ro 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Since we are not under the Law but under grace, if someone comes around tonight and has a go at your wife, knocks you in the head with a ball bat and loads all of your valuables up and leaves with them, have they sinned?

Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

If we are not under the law, there is no sin. Oh and by the way, if there is no sin, there is no need for Christ's death on the cross to pay for them.

Being under the law means under the authority of or subject to the penalty of the Law. there is still Law and it still defines sin just as Paul says...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

And of course, what would the Apostle that Jesus loved know?

1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

 

[John 8:32]

The point Paul was making is that the Law defines sin...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Lets continue the truth of this scripture?

Ro 7:7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

Always good to read all the passage to get the clear context.

Yes, I totally agree. The subject here is sin. Sin deceived Paul and slew him. Sin is defined by, brought to light by, explained by, revealed by the commandments. It is sin that does the dirty work, the Law simply shines a bright light on it exposing it for what it is.

 

[John 8:32]

And I am also willing to put my money where my mouth is. Part of the baptismal covenant or agreement I made with God is that I will follow You and obey You, if it costs me my life.

Ro 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

I full well agree with that. It is the breaking of the Law that cut me off from God, that made me disgusting in His sight. Now if I kill someone and never kill again, just because I don't do it again does that justify me for the first killing? That is obviously ridiculous. I am justified when the payment is made for the crime or sin. Thankfully, Christ loved us enough to make that payment for us. Now what He wants us to do is quite breaking the Law. Quit doing the deeds that cost Him His life in our stead...

Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

God forgives, but He also requires that we sin no more. If we continue in a lawless manner (iniquity = lawlessness)...

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

 

[George Muller]

Now if I kill someone and never kill again, just because I don't do it again does that justify me for the first killing? That is obviously ridiculous. I am justified when the payment is made for the crime or sin. Thankfully, Christ loved us enough to make that payment for us. Now what He wants us to do is quite breaking the Law. Quit doing the deeds that cost Him His life in our stead...

Ro 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


Ro 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

If "believer" is under the power of sin, its not because they are under grace, but because they are under law.

 

[George Muller]

if someone comes around tonight and has a go at your wife, knocks you in the head with a ball bat and loads all of your valuables up and leaves with them, have they sinned?

First, this is a very ungodly way to try and make a point. You should be ashamed that you can not think apart from such base thoughts and reasoning.
A "believer" according to the gospel is not under the law of moses, but a sinner is very much under the law. Now if a "believer" is doing such things? Then they are for sure not walking in the truth, nor in the love of God. In fact they are under the law, for it is the law that produces sinful desires and is the strength of sin.

Ro 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

Just as the pharisees who claimed to uphold the law, yet inwardly were full of murder and evil lust, those who seek to murder others in the name of God, always do it while claiming to uphold the law of moses.

 

[Joe Domingo]

if someone comes around tonight and has a go at your wife, knocks you in the head with a ball bat and loads all of your valuables up and leaves with them, have they sinned?

First, this is a very ungodly way to try and make a point. You should be ashamed that you can not think apart from such base thoughts and reasoning.
A "believer" according to the gospel is not under the law of moses, but a sinner is very much under the law. Now if a "believer" is doing such things? Then they are for sure not walking in the truth, nor in the love of God. In fact they are under the law, for it is the law that produces sinful desires and is the strength of sin.

Ro 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

Just as the pharisees who claimed to uphold the law, yet inwardly were full of murder and evil lust, those who seek to murder others in the name of God, always do it while claiming to uphold the law of moses.

The example that John makes is just and most logical. It requires analytical thinking. It is mostly technical and not meant to be offensive. The point is illustrated very well due to its graphical nature. I use these examples all the time with believers.

I asked things like, can I take your TV set? Or, your car? Can I take your home? If I really want to drive the point, I get more personal with the subject of adultery. I ask can I take your ______ on a date? Of course by now the person is livid.

And that is exactly the point. No level headed believer will support the breaking of those commandments, especially when it is so close to home. Yet and still they say, I'm free, I'm not in bondage, I'm under grace, I'm not under the Law, Jesus fulfills the Law for me, all these are excuses!

The fact of the matter is that no believer will want me to violate them by breaking these commandments. If I invite them to bow down to an idol and worship it - they look at me like I'm crazy! lol

I go through this procedure for all 9 commandments and they all pass my test with flying colors. Hence, they believe by their reactions in keeping 9 commandments. But when I bring up the Sabbath things come back full circle - I'm free, I'm not in bondage, I'm under grace, I'm not under the Law, Jesus fulfills the Law for me! LOL

I have to roll on the floor.

 

[Larry H]

Hi Joe interesting thread

A son is hiding in your closet; that bad guys knock on the door. Is your son in the house! Should we lie and tell the Mafia he is not in the house? One who takes a wooden stand on the Law would say, he is in the closet in the living room. Does mercy at that time supersede Law?

Joshua 2:3 So the king of Jericho sent this message to Rahab :"Bring out the men who came to you and entered your house, because they have come to spy out the whole land."

4 But the woman had taken the two men and hidden them. She said, "Yes, the men came to me, but I did not know where they had come from.

James 2:25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction?

26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

 

[George Muller]

if someone comes around tonight and has a go at your wife, knocks you in the head with a ball bat and loads all of your valuables up and leaves with them, have they sinned?

First, this is a very ungodly way to try and make a point. You should be ashamed that you can not think apart from such base thoughts and reasoning.
A "believer" according to the gospel is not under the law of moses, but a sinner is very much under the law. Now if a "believer" is doing such things? Then they are for sure not walking in the truth, nor in the love of God. In fact they are under the law, for it is the law that produces sinful desires and is the strength of sin.

Ro 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

Just as the pharisees who claimed to uphold the law, yet inwardly were full of murder and evil lust, those who seek to murder others in the name of God, always do it while claiming to uphold the law of moses.

The example that John makes is just and most logical. It requires analytical thinking. It is mostly technical and not meant to be offensive. The point is illustrated very well due to its graphical nature. I use these examples all the time with believers.

I asked things like, can I take your TV set? Or, your car? Can I take your home? If I really want to drive the point, I get more personal with the subject of adultery. I ask can I take your ______ on a date? Of course by now the person is livid.

And that is exactly the point. No level headed believer will support the breaking of those commandments, especially when it is so close to home. Yet and still they say, I'm free, I'm not in bondage, I'm under grace, I'm not under the Law, Jesus fulfills the Law for me, all these are excuses!

The fact of the matter is that no believer will want me to violate them by breaking these commandments. If I invite them to bow down to an idol and worship it - they look at me like I'm crazy! lol

I go through this procedure for all 9 commandments and they all pass my test with flying colors. Hence, they believe by their reactions in keeping 9 commandments. But when I bring up the Sabbath things come back full circle - I'm free, I'm not in bondage, I'm under grace, I'm not under the Law, Jesus fulfills the Law for me! LOL

I have to roll on the floor.

This is not a godly way to make a biblical point, and that some seem so full of these sorts of thoughts prove that sin has power over their thoughts.

Ro 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

You may not understand nor even care to believe the clear evidence of the gospel, but the way out of sin is not through law, but through grace.

 

[John 8:32]

if someone comes around tonight and has a go at your wife, knocks you in the head with a ball bat and loads all of your valuables up and leaves with them, have they sinned?

First, this is a very ungodly way to try and make a point. You should be ashamed that you can not think apart from such base thoughts and reasoning.

why are they base George? What defines them as base? After all, if we have no rules (no law) there is nothing to determine that they are base. In fact, there is no way to determine good either. Is riding a bicycle a good or base act? How about climbing a tree? If there are no specific guidelines, there is no way to determine good and base. I am the one who is the strong proponent of Law here, you are the one who is trumpeting no Law. I am the one who is saying that any violation of the Law is wrong, you are the one who is saying we don't have to obey the Law, we can do as we please.

A "believer" according to the gospel is not under the law of moses, but a sinner is very much under the law. Now if a "believer" is doing such things? Then they are for sure not walking in the truth, nor in the love of God. In fact they are under the law, for it is the law that produces sinful desires and is the strength of sin.

I haven't seen a single scripture that says we are not to obey the Law, I have read many that say that when we turn to God in heart felt repentance and are genuinely sorry for sinning (which needs a definition - what is sin? I John 3:4) Christ's sacrifice pays the price, justifies us and frees us from the PENALTY of the Law. Your line of thinking seems to be that murder is against the Law so let's do away with the Law and then there will be no more murder.