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Raptures – Tribulation

Mat_24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Seems only those in Judea need to flee...
 
How do people get so confused as to try to make something clearly stating it is a warning to those it was written to, into some kind of a message that meant nothing for them.... instead, is supposed to be seen as written for people who would not even be born for at least two millennia, now..... and STILL counting?

AND THE REALLY CRAZY PART...................... Every generation since that day has been sure it was written only, and specifically for THEM...... That's 50 generations of human beings, dead and buried. (Well, that's not true...... until the mid 1500's nothing like this was ever thought of.... and until 1830, it wasn't taught on a wide scale basis.)

Especially when all those things Jesus warned about already happened within 40 years of His speaking them?
 
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reba said:
The real quick answer is i asked God to open His Word to me ... let me read scripture with out the years of preconceived knowledge i had built up. I had a life time of thoughts ... Lord help me read the Word like reading it for the first time... I saw passages and connections in a different light . I dont believe it is a Salvation thing... i was just as saved 25 years ago as i am today.. The Scriptures are more alive , they hold more comfort, so much more positive to my thinking...
Odd ezrider brought up the Kingdom... This Scripture was one of the turning points.. Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
WOW it hit me His kingdom is not some where in the future the Holy Ghost is for today.. Luk_12:32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. there is more detail not for tonight

Why do you believe the way you do Kathi..
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Kathi said:
I did the exact same thing :lol So we come up with opposite interpretations??? :chin
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Do you believe Romans 14:17 is future?
 
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mountains a 1/4 mile behind our house :)
 
Deborah13 said:
Ok. So these events are before the second coming AND effect the whole world. But Jesus just tells those Believers in Judah to flee. And what good would it do to flee to the mountains if these things are effecting the whole global world? If the anti-christ is in control of the whole global world what good would it do to flee Judah?
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I don't know :shrug
 
Willie T said:
How do people get so confused as to try to make something clearly stating it is warning to those it was written to, into some kind of a message that meant nothing for them.... instead, is supposed to be seen as written for people who would not even be born for at least two millennia, now..... and STILL counting?

AND THE REALLY CRAZY PART...................... Every generation since that day has been sure it was written only, and specifically for THEM...... That's 50 generations of human beings, dead and buried.

Especially when all those things Jesus warned about already happened within 40 years of His speaking them?
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No, not 50 generations. Matt Henry, Adam Clarke, John Gill....they all knew this was talking about Jerusalem's destruction in 70AD. Here is John Gill on verse 24:16....
"Then let them which be in Judea,.... When this signal is given, let it be taken notice of and observed; let them that are in the city of Jerusalem, depart out of it; or who are in any other parts of Judea, in any of the towns, or cities thereof; let them not betake themselves to Jerusalem, imagining they may be safe there, in so strong and fortified a place, but let them flee elsewhere; see Luke 21:21 and accordingly it is observed, that many did flee about this time; and it is remarked by several interpreters, and which Josephus (a) takes notice of with surprise, that Cestius Gallus having advanced with his army to Jerusalem, and besieged it, on a sudden, without any cause, raised the siege, and withdrew his army, when the city might have been easily taken; by which means a signal was made; and an opportunity given to the Christians, to make their escape: which they accordingly did, and went over Jordan, as Eusebius says (b), to a place called Pella; so that when Titus came a few mouths after, there was not a Christian in the city, but they had fled as they are here bidden to..."
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/gill/matthew/24.htm

The old guys had it right as far as the destruction of Jerusalem. It wasn't until Darby (which I suspect he got ahold of the that Catholic Jesuit's writings) then Scofield gets with Darby and we have this 1800's interpretation.
And do you see where Gill says not only Josephus gives testimony to this about the believers in Judea fleeing to the mountains around Pella but Eusebius does as well.
 
Deborah13 said:
No, not 50 generations. Matt Henry, Adam Clarke, John Gill....they all knew this was talking about Jerusalem's destruction in 70AD. Here is John Gill on verse 24:16....
"Then let them which be in Judea,.... When this signal is given, let it be taken notice of and observed; let them that are in the city of Jerusalem, depart out of it; or who are in any other parts of Judea, in any of the towns, or cities thereof; let them not betake themselves to Jerusalem, imagining they may be safe there, in so strong and fortified a place, but let them flee elsewhere; see Luke 21:21 and accordingly it is observed, that many did flee about this time; and it is remarked by several interpreters, and which Josephus (a) takes notice of with surprise, that Cestius Gallus having advanced with his army to Jerusalem, and besieged it, on a sudden, without any cause, raised the siege, and withdrew his army, when the city might have been easily taken; by which means a signal was made; and an opportunity given to the Christians, to make their escape: which they accordingly did, and went over Jordan, as Eusebius says (b), to a place called Pella; so that when Titus came a few mouths after, there was not a Christian in the city, but they had fled as they are here bidden to..."
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/gill/matthew/24.htm

The old guys had it right as far as the destruction of Jerusalem. It wasn't until Darby (which I suspect he got ahold of the that Catholic Jesuit's writings) then Scofield gets with Darby and we have this 1800's interpretation.
And do you see where Gill says not only Josephus gives testimony to this about the believers in Judea fleeing to the mountains around Pella but Eusebius does as well.
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You're preaching to the choir..... that's why I said 50 generations have come and gone...... Many of them, (those not reading the simple language of the Bible as it is written) looking for something that already happened.

And the people typing on this forum will simply follow them to the grave........ still looking.
 
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Where in scripture does it say we will not go through tribulation?Nowhere,in fact scripture is filled with people in tribulation...Also Christ Himself says He returns after the tribulation...

Christians have always gone and continue to go through tribulation to this very day

Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not have her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"

Matthew 24:30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."


Mark 13:37 "And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch."

God's wrath and the tribulation are two totally different things


  • Romans 5:3 (KJV)

    And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
  • Romans 12:12 (KJV)

    Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;
  • Ephesians 3:13 (KJV)

    Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.
  • Judges 10:14 (KJV)

    Go and cry unto the gods which ye have chosen; let them deliver you in the time of your tribulation.
  • Mark 13:24 (KJV)

    But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
  • 1 Thessalonians 3:4 (KJV)

    For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.
  • 2 Thessalonians 1:4 (KJV)

    So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
  • 2 Thessalonians 1:6 (KJV)

    Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
  • Matthew 13:21 (KJV)

    Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
  • Matthew 24:21 (KJV)

    For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
  • John 16:33 (KJV)

    These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
  • Acts 14:22 (KJV)

    Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
  • Romans 2:9 (KJV)

    Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
  • Romans 8:35 (KJV)

    Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
  • 2 Corinthians 1:4 (KJV)

    Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.
  • 2 Corinthians 7:4 (KJV)

    Great is my boldness of speech toward you, great is my glorying of you: I am filled with comfort, I am exceeding joyful in all our tribulation.
  • Revelation 2:9 (KJV)

    I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
  • Revelation 2:22 (KJV)

    Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
  • Deuteronomy 4:30 (KJV)

    When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the Lord thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
  • 1 Samuel 10:19 (KJV)

    And ye have this day rejected your God, who himself saved you out of all your adversities and your tribulations; and ye have said unto him, Nay, but set a king over us. Now therefore present yourselves before the Lord by your tribes, and by your thousands.
  • 1 Samuel 26:24 (KJV)

    And, behold, as thy life was much set by this day in mine eyes, so let my life be much set by in the eyes of the Lord, and let him deliver me out of all tribulation.
  • Matthew 24:29 (KJV)

    Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
  • Revelation 1:9 (KJV)

    I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
  • Revelation 7:14 (KJV)

    And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
  • Revelation 2:10 (KJV)

    Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
Now,what part of tribulation don't you all understand,and where exactly does it say we escape?I
 
Deborah13 said:
No, not 50 generations. Matt Henry, Adam Clarke, John Gill....they all knew this was talking about Jerusalem's destruction in 70AD. Here is John Gill on verse 24:16....
"Then let them which be in Judea,.... When this signal is given, let it be taken notice of and observed; let them that are in the city of Jerusalem, depart out of it; or who are in any other parts of Judea, in any of the towns, or cities thereof; let them not betake themselves to Jerusalem, imagining they may be safe there, in so strong and fortified a place, but let them flee elsewhere; see Luke 21:21 and accordingly it is observed, that many did flee about this time; and it is remarked by several interpreters, and which Josephus (a) takes notice of with surprise, that Cestius Gallus having advanced with his army to Jerusalem, and besieged it, on a sudden, without any cause, raised the siege, and withdrew his army, when the city might have been easily taken; by which means a signal was made; and an opportunity given to the Christians, to make their escape: which they accordingly did, and went over Jordan, as Eusebius says (b), to a place called Pella; so that when Titus came a few mouths after, there was not a Christian in the city, but they had fled as they are here bidden to..."
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/gill/matthew/24.htm

The old guys had it right as far as the destruction of Jerusalem. It wasn't until Darby (which I suspect he got ahold of the that Catholic Jesuit's writings) then Scofield gets with Darby and we have this 1800's interpretation.
And do you see where Gill says not only Josephus gives testimony to this about the believers in Judea fleeing to the mountains around Pella but Eusebius does as well.
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he did. pm reba, she knows a person whom will know for sure. I read it from that same source.
 
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