Will all born-again Christians make it to heaven?

[chessman]

Rev 3:5 "i will not blot out their name from the book of Life"~~ have you ever heard of the term litotes?
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. It's no accident that this book remains in heaven. Look around this fallen world for indications of OSAS and it doesn't seem right to the eye, true. But looking at Scripture and God's Sovereignty and it sure does. Our world is full of sin (me in it). Makes the incarnation all the more merciful as well.

 

[Danus]

So, with this,in your own words, you clearly have an understanding that the SAVED, Once saved by God, (ie...Chosen elect) ARE SAVED ALWAYS. [/SIZE][/FONT]

I would prefer that you use the correct terminology: The elect are OSAS, if you will. Yes. The "saved", no, not all of them. Saved does not equal predestined to eternal glory.

The problem is that WE don't know who the elect are. They look just like the people around us, maybe even us. That is the entire point of my discussion.

We just don't know whether we are one who was called by Christ to be predestined to eternal glory. Sure, we have received salvation, freed from sin, made a child of God. But that doesn't make us one of the elect.

Anyone who is baptized is "saved", freed from sin. Does that status remain? For many, no, according to the parables I mention. Many become part of the Body of Christ - but are cut off later. They fall away in times of temptation or become overly involved with the anxieties of the world. The "wheat" - unidentifiable from the tares until time for harvest, will eventually prevail.

THIS is why Christ says to persevere. Those who do are showing that they are the elect.

I'm glad to see you agree.

Let me know if you still do after you read the above explanation.

Take care and Blessings to you.

francisdesales. I have enjoyed working with this out with you. If you have any more questions regarding reformed theology, I hope you will consider me a resource, and a brother with you in Christ Jesus our lord AND savior

You have been very kind and I appreciate this discussion.

Brother in Christ

Aside from some of your rough edges, I'd say you have a fairly good grasp, but you keep going back to not knowing your saved, or calling the saved not saved. All I can tell you there, is that the saved do not ever become unsaved. They don't loose or walk away. Again it's called, Once Saved, Always Saved, and with that we're are back to faith, which is the defining "glue" to OSAS.

 

[Grappler]

What makes you think you are one of those that the Father has given Christ???

Maybe you will fall away in five years and you were not one of the ones given to Christ?

Persevere. Stop being presumptuous.

Once again i ask you a question and you refuse to answer it...instead you ask me a question and then presume to know me and question my relationship with Jesus. Some people might construe that as arrogance and stupidity....but i will give you the benefit of the doubt.lol Okay fracis i will play along. The answer to the first question is the same answer that i gave an agnostic one time who questioned my faith in Jesus. I told him i can't explain to him how i know Jesus...but he is as real to me as the floor that i am standing on. I talk to him on a regular basis...I don't expect you to understand francis...from your posts you don't seem to know what a relationship with Jesus is....i hope that changes one day. Jesus said " My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me." He is my Good Shephard...i am one of his sheep. BAAA BAAA.

I hope you are, Grappler, I hope you are...

Why...thank you francis and i hope you either realize that you are one of his sheep or become one yourself.

 

[Guest]

The only unforgivable sin that I know if is blaspheming the Holy Spirit, which this passage clearly does not reference. it is specific, " for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come..." which seems to be clearly speaking of believers (with salvation?) falling away, but you bring up a good point! What of those who do fall away and will not repent, or even choose to renounce their faith and not repent? We must ask forgiveness, agreed. And if they do not? OSAS? I think not. So there names would be erased and blotted out from the book of life? Seems reasonable enough. So we must conclude that OSAS is not the case? Feel free to poke holes in this. This makes sense to me.

You're grasping at straws and questioning God's power to love and bring them back to his will. Ephesians 1:13-14 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory. Also Matthew 8:26 And he said to them, “Why are you afraid, O you of little faith?†Then he rose and rebuked the winds and the sea, and there was a great calm. Power!

 

[Deborah13]

"with much work".

Yes, it can be "much work" to stand fast in your beliefs when be bombarded with conflicting ideas, false prophets, temptations, etc. Or in the times of the death of a child or a divorce, etc. These are times of much work to stand in ones faith.
Paul talks of the faith we had at the beginning. I believe this means the joy, and conviction in our hearts about the Truth of our Lord and the cross.

When asked "what is the work that we must do to do the works of God?" " this is the work of God" "believe on Jesus" TOTALLY and poorly paraphrased!!
But I know you can do a word search on "work of God" and find it.

 

[Deborah13]

which seems to be clearly speaking of believers (with salvation?) falling away, but you bring up a good point!

I also believe these were very mature saved believers. However this scripture never mentions anything about them living sinful lives causing them to fall away.
These Jews were under terrible persecution from all sides and I'm sure still had the unbelieving Jewish, even friends and family, telling them they must come back to the temple and Jewish worship.
If they were to go back to participating in the blood sacrifices they would be putting Jesus blood to shame. In other words they would be saying that "His blood did not pay for their sin." They would be totally Rejecting the Gospel of Christ.
This is one place where their "much work" would be apparent. In standing fast.

 

[gr8grace]

(Referencing 1 Peter 4:17-18)

Peter has Just talked about the sufferings a Christian has to go through in this Life. (especially if you are spiritually Mature person) that is what is in view with "hard" (receive it with happiness)

Verse 17 is a rebound verse for the believer~~{to confess your sins is a form of self-judgement
- "if we judge ourselves we shall not be judged" }

I'll buy that. ☺ Looking at v. 18 and paralleling that to KJV, I see that the word "hard" is actually "scarcely" in the KJV. Using the Concordance on scarcely, I see that it comes out to Greek 3433 molis, hardly, scarce, "with much work". Now that is interesting! With an obvious implication to it. Not exactly a "sinners prayer, POOF you're saved" implication either, unless I have lost total comprehension, lol. Thoughts?

Peter was quoting Prov 11:31. One thing I think is very important in these verses, is that both Authors say the "Righteous", they are already righteous, so already saved. It does not imply "Becoming righteous" or "working on righteousness" I believe that both verses depict sufferings of the believer in this life, and it is not always easy.

You have to be saved and a Christian, to suffer as one right? It does not make sense to talk of the righteous suffering if they are not already righteous and saved in the first place.

 

[chessman]

Heb 6:4-6

which seems to be clearly speaking of believers (with salvation?) falling away

I'd say this is not really/exactly talking about a beleiver falling away (in the way you mean it). It's clearly not talking about an individual beleiver losing his salvation but rather the authour is warning the Hebrew readers, as a Christian group now recently turned to the Christian Gospel versus melliniam of Sacrifices and Laws, not to fall back into that immature doctrine but stick with their new "High Priest", Jesus

Here's why:

Hebrews 6:4-5 is a couple of verses centered within a broader point that the author of Hebrews is making. It’s very important to read/understand the whole broader point, first, then decide what the individual passage means. For exactly this reason, Heb 6 is a good section of Scripture to show why this is such an important principle in understanding what the Bible’s message is.
The broader point is that Jesus’ way to salvation is a more mature way now that He’s come and risen. The Author is developing the point that Jesus is a better “High Priest” than any human could ever be. He actually clearly says this in verse 8:1. He starts at Heb 5:1 with a “high priest” discussion then ends/summaries it at Heb 8:1. Read the whole thing and you get the broader point quit clearly. (which is an indication of the Pauline authorship to me but that’s off topic). If you do this, the Scripture itself (not me) will provide the answer to what yes could be a Scripture that teaches OSAS=no (if not undertood properly! People are free to understand it anyway they desire, but the fair thing to do would be to at least read Heb chapters 5 thru 8 and then decide what this one section means.

Heb 5:1 For every high priest chosen from among men is appointed to act on behalf of men in relation to God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins. He can deal gently with the ignorant and wayward, since he himself is beset with weakness. Because of this he is obligated to offer sacrifice for his own sins just as he does for those of the people. (It’s going to take four chapters but this author is going to prove his point. Jewish High Priests were fine for you back then, but you better not turn back there now!).
…

Heb 6:1 Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ
(Jewish work’s Laws/method leading to Salvation)
and go on to maturity (Jesus’ Gospel Salvation/method),
not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God 2 and of instruction about washings, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.
(this is describing the Jewish work’s laws and calling them an immature, out-dated, if you will, doctrine now that Jesus had Come)

3 And this we will do if God permits. (stay with the new Gospel and not turn back to human High Priests and weekly Sacrifes, etc. My point is beginning at verse 4, you must realize is right midstream of a broader message to the reader)

4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, (obviously he’s speaking here of the Jewish people as a whole, not necessarily any one individual)
who have tasted the heavenly gift, (Jesus is the gift but the people here are the people that have followed the Jewish Laws, that immature-gospel, in other words)
and have shared in the Holy Spirit, (followed the Jewish Laws, that immature-gospel, in other words)
5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, (again he’s speaking about the people as a whole that have followed the Jewish Laws, that immature-gospel, in other words)
6 and then have fallen away, (obviously he means back to the Jewish Law works doctrine, that immature Gospel that’s now fulfilled by Christ)
to restore them again to repentance, (his point is that if these people turn back to the Jewish ways, they will be making a huge mistake! This is about telling these Hebrews, now turned Christians, not to turn back into Jewish work’s law,. He tells us why next
since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.
…
Jesus has gone as a forerunner on our behalf, having become a high priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.
(poof, no more need of Earthly High Priests, sacrifices, etc.)
…
7:22 This makes Jesus the guarantor of a better covenant.
…
8:1Now the point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, 2 a minister in the holy places, inthe true tent that the Lord set up, not man.

My point, don’t just read Heb 6:4-6 alone. Read all of Hebrews chapters 5 thru 8 and then decide what you make of verses 4-6. If you still feel it is describing an individual once saved, that becomes un-saved, then fine. We disagree. I’d read (commentaries, other authors, etc.) and study up on this some more before I was to dogmatic about what Heb 6:4-6 is really teaching about OSAS. But this is a good passage to study and be confident about it's message.

 

[francisdesales]

I would prefer that you use the correct terminology: The elect are OSAS, if you will. Yes. The "saved", no, not all of them. Saved does not equal predestined to eternal glory.

The problem is that WE don't know who the elect are. They look just like the people around us, maybe even us. That is the entire point of my discussion.

We just don't know whether we are one who was called by Christ to be predestined to eternal glory. Sure, we have received salvation, freed from sin, made a child of God. But that doesn't make us one of the elect.

Anyone who is baptized is "saved", freed from sin. Does that status remain? For many, no, according to the parables I mention. Many become part of the Body of Christ - but are cut off later. They fall away in times of temptation or become overly involved with the anxieties of the world. The "wheat" - unidentifiable from the tares until time for harvest, will eventually prevail.

THIS is why Christ says to persevere. Those who do are showing that they are the elect.



Let me know if you still do after you read the above explanation.

Take care and Blessings to you. [/SIZE][/FONT] francisdesales. I have enjoyed working with this out with you. If you have any more questions regarding reformed theology, I hope you will consider me a resource, and a brother with you in Christ Jesus our lord AND savior

You have been very kind and I appreciate this discussion.

Brother in Christ

Aside from some of your rough edges, I'd say you have a fairly good grasp, but you keep going back to not knowing your saved, or calling the saved not saved. All I can tell you there, is that the saved do not ever become unsaved. They don't loose or walk away. Again it's called, Once Saved, Always Saved, and with that we're are back to faith, which is the defining "glue" to OSAS.

I know I am saved, I just do not know if I am of the elect, what I was calling "eschatologically saved" before.

Regards

 

[francisdesales]

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Yes. This is the kind of stuff that scares me and makes me wonder if OSAS is a fact or not. There is no more repentance at some point, and having reread the whole chapter just now, I notice how many time Peter uses the word hope. It's almost as if saying the sinners prayer once is not enough, but one must make an effort to be as Jesus was and work towards total love in Christ and how one behaves. This is the whole of the faith without works is dead thing I think. If you have not good works and resist temptation, then one merely pays lip service to God.

Something is the "unforgivable sin", or as Hebrews 6 speaks about, "impossible to repent" because the person in that situation will NOT repent.

If a person does fall away, it is VERY difficult to come back. What leads to that falling away in the first place, and the return to a former life.

When a person refuses to repent, it becomes unforgivable because forgiveness is conditional. One must ask for it.

Regards

The only unforgivable sin that I know if is blaspheming the Holy Spirit, which this passage clearly does not reference. it is specific, " for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come..." which seems to be clearly speaking of believers (with salvation?) falling away, but you bring up a good point! What of those who do fall away and will not repent, or even choose to renounce their faith and not repent? We must ask forgiveness, agreed. And if they do not? OSAS? I think not. So there names would be erased and blotted out from the book of life? Seems reasonable enough. So we must conclude that OSAS is not the case? Feel free to poke holes in this. This makes sense to me.

Well, Jesus does say that the potential exists to have one's name erased from that "book".

If people do not ask for forgiveness, I am thinking there is a good chance of not entering into eternal life.

Regards

 

[francisdesales]

What makes you think you are one of those that the Father has given Christ???

Maybe you will fall away in five years and you were not one of the ones given to Christ?

Persevere. Stop being presumptuous.

Once again i ask you a question and you refuse to answer it...instead you ask me a question and then presume to know me and question my relationship with Jesus. Some people might construe that as arrogance and stupidity....but i will give you the benefit of the doubt.lol Okay fracis i will play along. The answer to the first question is the same answer that i gave an agnostic one time who questioned my faith in Jesus. I told him i can't explain to him how i know Jesus...but he is as real to me as the floor that i am standing on. I talk to him on a regular basis...I don't expect you to understand francis...from your posts you don't seem to know what a relationship with Jesus is....i hope that changes one day. Jesus said " My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me." He is my Good Shephard...i am one of his sheep. BAAA BAAA.

I hope you are, Grappler, I hope you are...

Why...thank you francis and i hope you either realize that you are one of his sheep or become one yourself.

Thank you, I am at God's mercy...

Regards

 

[Grappler]

Something is the "unforgivable sin", or as Hebrews 6 speaks about, "impossible to repent" because the person in that situation will NOT repent.

If a person does fall away, it is VERY difficult to come back. What leads to that falling away in the first place, and the return to a former life.

When a person refuses to repent, it becomes unforgivable because forgiveness is conditional. One must ask for it.

Regards

The only unforgivable sin that I know if is blaspheming the Holy Spirit, which this passage clearly does not reference. it is specific, " for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come..." which seems to be clearly speaking of believers (with salvation?) falling away, but you bring up a good point! What of those who do fall away and will not repent, or even choose to renounce their faith and not repent? We must ask forgiveness, agreed. And if they do not? OSAS? I think not. So there names would be erased and blotted out from the book of life? Seems reasonable enough. So we must conclude that OSAS is not the case? Feel free to poke holes in this. This makes sense to me.

Well, Jesus does say that the potential exists to have one's name erased from that "book".

If people do not ask for forgiveness, I am thinking there is a good chance of not entering into eternal life.

Regards

Some people believe that this verse teaches that your name can be erased from the book of life. Notice that the verse doesn't say that a person's name can be blotted out of the book. It says, "I will not erase his name from the book of life." Rather than being fearful of being blotted out, this verse gives assurance that a believer's name cannot be erased. This verse doesn't teach you can lose your salvation, but that you can't. Francis you must be one of those people that says the glass is half empty instead of half full.....you are full of doubt and worry.

 

[francisdesales]

Something is the "unforgivable sin", or as Hebrews 6 speaks about, "impossible to repent" because the person in that situation will NOT repent.

If a person does fall away, it is VERY difficult to come back. What leads to that falling away in the first place, and the return to a former life.

When a person refuses to repent, it becomes unforgivable because forgiveness is conditional. One must ask for it.

Regards

The only unforgivable sin that I know if is blaspheming the Holy Spirit, which this passage clearly does not reference. it is specific, " for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come..." which seems to be clearly speaking of believers (with salvation?) falling away, but you bring up a good point! What of those who do fall away and will not repent, or even choose to renounce their faith and not repent? We must ask forgiveness, agreed. And if they do not? OSAS? I think not. So there names would be erased and blotted out from the book of life? Seems reasonable enough. So we must conclude that OSAS is not the case? Feel free to poke holes in this. This makes sense to me.

Well, Jesus does say that the potential exists to have one's name erased from that "book".

If people do not ask for forgiveness, I am thinking there is a good chance of not entering into eternal life.

Regards

Some people believe that this verse teaches that your name can be erased from the book of life. Notice that the verse doesn't say that a person's name can be blotted out of the book. It says, "I will not erase his name from the book of life." Rather than being fearful of being blotted out, this verse gives assurance that a believer's name cannot be erased. This verse doesn't teach you can lose your salvation, but that you can't. Francis you must be one of those people that says the glass is half empty instead of half full.....you are full of doubt and worry.

No, I am just able to read the Scriptures, and it simply doesn't state your pie-in-the-sky peaches and cream scenario.

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels Rev 3:5

and further:

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Rev 20:12


As the reader of the Scriptures who seeks the truth can see, eschatological judgment is based on what you do in life. Not on some one-time altar call!!!!


Only the one who overcomes. You know, persevere UNTIL THE END. And if you bother to read the verses immediately preceding, it becomes clear that not everyone is indeed persevering. I have only been saying this like 50 times now. But some don't have ears to hear, they just put up sarcastic remarks while they muddle in wishful thinking...

 

[Grappler]

Well, Jesus does say that the potential exists to have one's name erased from that "book".

If people do not ask for forgiveness, I am thinking there is a good chance of not entering into eternal life.

Regards

Some people believe that this verse teaches that your name can be erased from the book of life. Notice that the verse doesn't say that a person's name can be blotted out of the book. It says, "I will not erase his name from the book of life." Rather than being fearful of being blotted out, this verse gives assurance that a believer's name cannot be erased. This verse doesn't teach you can lose your salvation, but that you can't. Francis you must be one of those people that says the glass is half empty instead of half full.....you are full of doubt and worry.

No, I am just able to read the Scriptures, and it simply doesn't state your pie-in-the-sky peaches and cream scenario.

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels Rev 3:5

and further:

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Rev 20:12


As the reader of the Scriptures who seeks the truth can see, eschatological judgment is based on what you do in life. Not on some one-time altar call!!!!


Only the one who overcomes. You know, persevere UNTIL THE END. And if you bother to read the verses immediately preceding, it becomes clear that not everyone is indeed persevering. I have only been saying this like 50 times now. But some don't have ears to hear, they just put up sarcastic remarks while they muddle in wishful thinking...

You like reading scripture you say?? Read this..."ALL that the Father has given me will come to me and whoever comes to me i will never cast out." John 6:37 Like that?

 

[John Zain]

Only the one who overcomes. You know, persevere UNTIL THE END.

"But he who endures to the end will be saved." (Matthew 10:22, Mark 13:13)

IMO, this refers to one's faith, perseverance, etc. with regard to eternal salvation.

One and all are encouraged to research this! ... And dozens of other passages.

Your eternal destiny might just depend on it.

 

[francisdesales]

Well, Jesus does say that the potential exists to have one's name erased from that "book".

If people do not ask for forgiveness, I am thinking there is a good chance of not entering into eternal life.

Regards

Some people believe that this verse teaches that your name can be erased from the book of life. Notice that the verse doesn't say that a person's name can be blotted out of the book. It says, "I will not erase his name from the book of life." Rather than being fearful of being blotted out, this verse gives assurance that a believer's name cannot be erased. This verse doesn't teach you can lose your salvation, but that you can't. Francis you must be one of those people that says the glass is half empty instead of half full.....you are full of doubt and worry.

No, I am just able to read the Scriptures, and it simply doesn't state your pie-in-the-sky peaches and cream scenario.

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels Rev 3:5

and further:

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Rev 20:12


As the reader of the Scriptures who seeks the truth can see, eschatological judgment is based on what you do in life. Not on some one-time altar call!!!!


Only the one who overcomes. You know, persevere UNTIL THE END. And if you bother to read the verses immediately preceding, it becomes clear that not everyone is indeed persevering. I have only been saying this like 50 times now. But some don't have ears to hear, they just put up sarcastic remarks while they muddle in wishful thinking...

You like reading scripture you say?? Read this..."ALL that the Father has given me will come to me and whoever comes to me i will never cast out." John 6:37 Like that?

Thanks.

I didn't see Grappler's name in that text...

 

[Grappler]

No, I am just able to read the Scriptures, and it simply doesn't state your pie-in-the-sky peaches and cream scenario.

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels Rev 3:5

and further:

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Rev 20:12


As the reader of the Scriptures who seeks the truth can see, eschatological judgment is based on what you do in life. Not on some one-time altar call!!!!


Only the one who overcomes. You know, persevere UNTIL THE END. And if you bother to read the verses immediately preceding, it becomes clear that not everyone is indeed persevering. I have only been saying this like 50 times now. But some don't have ears to hear, they just put up sarcastic remarks while they muddle in wishful thinking...

You like reading scripture you say?? Read this..."ALL that the Father has given me will come to me and whoever comes to me i will never cast out." John 6:37 Like that?

Thanks.

I didn't see Grappler's name in that text...

Grappler is just a username....eintstein. I doubt you will find that in any bible....you sure are a sharp one.

 

[chessman]

Rev 20:1:2 (NIV) And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

Blessedly, our God sometimes actually explains His metaphoric language to us non-Einsteins. I.e. we know the dragon is the devil (Satan).

We also know where our works path to salvation leads.

Rom 3:20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

Rev 20:12 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.

 

[francisdesales]

No, I am just able to read the Scriptures, and it simply doesn't state your pie-in-the-sky peaches and cream scenario.

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels Rev 3:5



and further:

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Rev 20:12


As the reader of the Scriptures who seeks the truth can see, eschatological judgment is based on what you do in life. Not on some one-time altar call!!!!


Only the one who overcomes. You know, persevere UNTIL THE END. And if you bother to read the verses immediately preceding, it becomes clear that not everyone is indeed persevering. I have only been saying this like 50 times now. But some don't have ears to hear, they just put up sarcastic remarks while they muddle in wishful thinking...

You like reading scripture you say?? Read this..."ALL that the Father has given me will come to me and whoever comes to me i will never cast out." John 6:37 Like that?

Thanks.

I didn't see Grappler's name in that text...

Grappler is just a username....eintstein. I doubt you will find that in any bible....you sure are a sharp one.

LOL! Are you in middle school or something?

I don't care what name you use, it isn't in the passage you cite...

 

[Grappler]

Thanks.

I didn't see Grappler's name in that text...

Grappler is just a username....eintstein. I doubt you will find that in any bible....you sure are a sharp one.

LOL! Are you in middle school or something?

I don't care what name you use, it isn't in the passage you cite...

No! I am a Freshman in high school you bully. Oh and i never said that a specific name was in the passage that i cited. If i remember correctly my Lord Jesus said the word ALL...in reference to people. Do you know what ALL means?